New suspention

[Legend_master]

Dropzone springs aren't bad springs. they are just stiff as hell and there isn't a strut that can handle spring rates of that caliber. There isn't much we can do with suspension with struts that are designed for our cars except konis and bilstiens revalved. Dropzones are stiff and having illuminas definitely will make a ride that is stiff but bounce due to improper match of spring and strut.

Really the only bounce I am getting is comeing from the tires. If I were to have low profiles or at least something that is not a 13" rim and tire it wouldent bounce to bad.

[Busted_Blue]

Really the only bounce I am getting is comeing from the tires. If I were to have low profiles or at least something that is not a 13" rim and tire it wouldent bounce to bad.

bounce = bad.. People should know that bounce does not equal stiff. You can have a stiff ride and no bounce. Bounce is the extra float after a bump that is cause by a spring that is overpowering the strut.


I'm glad you decided to try this mod out. One question, today I just installed KYB AGX on my friend's 00 Civic. The brakelines were bolted onto the control arm and you said you used EK illuminas. The ones in your picture are bolted on to the strut. There is a difference as my friend didn't have brake lines bolted on to the strut. What year illuminas did you get or is there an option for that strut housing brake line thing?


PS get some new tires/rims..your car will love it.

[Legend_master]

bounce = bad.. People should know that bounce does not equal stiff. You can have a stiff ride and no bounce. Bounce is the extra float after a bump that is cause by a spring that is overpowering the strut.


I'm glad you decided to try this mod out. One question, today I just installed KYB AGX on my friend's 00 Civic. The brakelines were bolted onto the control arm and you said you used EK illuminas. The ones in your picture are bolted on to the strut. There is a difference as my friend didn't have brake lines bolted on to the strut. What year illuminas did you get or is there an option for that strut housing brake line thing?


PS get some new tires/rims..your car will love it.

I know exactly what the floaty bounce is and I can garuntee that it comes from the tires. I have had all kinds of suspention from coilovers to airride and have reaserched them all. The tire is the only thing moving when I am driving, I mean literally I can't get the suspention to move a MM. After I get my motor in the car I will be getting some 15" or 16" Rota slipstreams and I will let you guys know how those turn out. As for the year of the struts, they came from a 99-00 Civic Si, but all 96-00 year civics and integras have the same struts. The only difference is the stiffness (IE the integras have stiffer springs and struts then the civic), but when you get an aftermarket like the tokicos illuminas you get the same strut.

[Busted_Blue]

I know exactly what the floaty bounce is and I can garuntee that it comes from the tires. I have had all kinds of suspention from coilovers to airride and have reaserched them all. The tire is the only thing moving when I am driving, I mean literally I can't get the suspention to move a MM. After I get my motor in the car I will be getting some 15" or 16" Rota slipstreams and I will let you guys know how those turn out. As for the year of the struts, they came from a 99-00 Civic Si, but all 96-00 year civics and integras have the same struts. The only difference is the stiffness (IE the integras have stiffer springs and struts then the civic), but when you get an
aftermarket like the tokicos illuminas you get the same strut.

don't get me wrong! I'm not bashing you for what you've done. It was directed more to the readers of this forum. You already know enough. Majority of the members here on this board are still new to suspension. I'm just curious why yours have brake line threads on them and the ones my friend got, didnt. He did buy them for a Civic EX though..if that really makes a difference. I haven't looked under a EM1 chassis that thoroughly so it could be different.

I always knew that the EG and DC chassis were interchangable but I never knew exactly the interchangibility of the EK and DC.

[Legend_master]

don't get me wrong! I'm not bashing you for what you've done. It was directed more to the readers of this forum. You already know enough. Majority of the members here on this board are still new to suspension. I'm just curious why yours have brake line threads on them and the ones my friend got, didnt. He did buy them for a Civic EX though..if that really makes a difference. I haven't looked under a EM1 chassis that thoroughly so it could be different.

I always knew that the EG and DC chassis were interchangable but I never knew exactly the interchangibility of the EK and DC.

Well I really can't tell you why the threads are not there , because they should be even if they are for an EX. I think that he might have gotten the wrong struts or that KYB dident put the threads on there to keep down on cost. Did they fit on the pirches well? and did the springs fit on them well? Besides that you got me. The funny thing about Honda is how much compatibality they have between there cars. My friend put my 00 Gsr factory struts on a 92 2dr Accord and the only difference was that they were shorter. I was like when he said he was going to try it, but they fit like a glove . I hope you guys figure out how to mount the brake lines, but I bet zip ties will be your friend.

[Busted_Blue]

Well I really can't tell you why the threads are not there , because they should be even if they are for an EX. I think that he might have gotten the wrong struts or that KYB dident put the threads on there to keep down on cost. Did they fit on the pirches well? and did the springs fit on them well? Besides that you got me. The funny thing about Honda is how much compatibality they have between there cars. My friend put my 00 Gsr factory struts on a 92 2dr Accord and the only difference was that they were shorter. I was like when he said he was going to try it, but they fit like a glove . I hope you guys figure out how to mount the brake lines, but I bet zip ties will be your friend.

That is the thing...the brake lines actually were bolted onto the control arms. The control arms had thread for the brake line holders. This is the part that confuses me as if there were actually two versions of the civic struts because there are two version of the suspension.

[b8er]

from what i have just read on you 2 talking back and forth it seems like there must be 2 different versions, plain and simple, it seems pretty straight forward to me, if strut X has this and strut Y doesnt then it just seems like plain sence that there must be 2 types, now i am a noob when it comes to suspension but im just saying from reading these post that im stating the ovious

[TheWatcher]

Dropzone springs aren't bad springs. they are just stiff as hell and there isn't a strut that can handle spring rates of that caliber. There isn't much we can do with suspension with struts that are designed for our cars except konis and bilstiens revalved. Dropzones are stiff and having illuminas definitely will make a ride that is stiff but bounce due to improper match of spring and strut.

Yes, dropzones are bad. You get what you pay for. Your post runs counter to both the threads I posted, plus every thread that I have ever read.

Peace.

[88Accord-DX]

Whatever you want to believe. You get what you pay for. These two threads, and numerous other threads, say you are mistaken.

Quote from one of the threads, "dropzone is horrible". 'Nuff said.

Yes, dropzones are bad. You get what you pay for.

You got those cheap ebay dropzone springs, so you're gonna bounce all over the place.

Damn man, quit hatin'. I've noticed some other members getting annoyed with your comments too.

Anyway, the springs & struts look cool to me. As long as it makes you happy, that is all that matters.

[AccordEpicenter]

are the illuminas much sitffer than stock? Would they be as stiff as say, a koni ?

[TheWatcher]

Damn man, quit hatin'. I've noticed some other members getting annoyed with your comments too.

Anyway, the springs & struts look cool to me. As long as it makes you happy, that is all that matters.

What you're problem? This doesn't concern you. People have differences in opinion.

I make every effort to try to help members, if you spent any time reading my posts. Or do you read only my "hating" posts.

Whatevers. I'm not judging people, only offering my opinion. You judge me. You don't even know me.

It's so easy to point the finger. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

Maybe you're the one who should quit hating.

Peace.

[88Accord-DX]

What you're problem? This doesn't concern you. People have differences in opinion.
I make every effort to try to help members, if you spent any time reading my posts. Or do you read only my "hating" posts.
Whatevers. I'm not judging people, only offering my opinion. You judge me. You don't even know me.
It's so easy to point the finger. Maybe you should look in the mirror.
Maybe you're the one who should quit hating.

Don't matter who's concern it is. I don't go around pointing out the negative things / opinions about what people have on here either.
If you think I'm judging you, then let it be. Call it what you want.
You don't know me either.
I'm one of a few members that has made a similar comment like this towards you.
I'm not going to argue with you over who is right or what, cause I could get the boot. I'll leave it at that.

[Legend_master]

are the illuminas much sitffer than stock? Would they be as stiff as say, a koni ?

They are extremely stiff, On level one they could be compared to a tokico blue and on level five they could be compared to a piece of metal welded in place of the strut.

from what i have just read on you 2 talking back and forth it seems like there must be 2 different versions, plain and simple, it seems pretty straight forward to me, if strut X has this and strut Y doesnt then it just seems like plain sence that there must be 2 types, now i am a noob when it comes to suspension but im just saying from reading these post that im stating the ovious

I honestly can't figure it out, all the struts for 96-00 civics should be the exact same for every model .

Yes, dropzones are bad. You get what you pay for. Your post runs counter to both the threads I posted, plus every thread that I have ever read.

Peace.

all those springs were run with shocks that were much less stiff than what they needed to be. If you are going to make a negative statement at least make a proper one. Seems like every post I have seen that you have made, you are being a dickhead if not than you need to thinka bout what you say before you say it.

Don't matter who's concern it is. I don't go around pointing out the negative things / opinions about what people have on here either.
If you think I'm judging you, then let it be. Call it what you want.
You don't know me either.
I'm one of a few members that has made a similar comment like this towards you.
I'm not going to argue with you over who is right or what, cause I could get the boot. I'll leave it at that.

Don't worry about it man it's a waist of time. Thanks for the compliments on the suspention and I will get some pics up soon.

[AccordEpicenter]

this sounds like it could be a cheap alternative to konis or revalved bilsteins, how much longer are they? Are the rears close at all?

[Busted_Blue]

Yes, dropzones are bad. You get what you pay for. Your post runs counter to both the threads I posted, plus every thread that I have ever read.

Peace.

its hard to determine things from Honda-tech. Many of those people like one setup and will bash everything else to hell. There are alot of haters on that board and they prefer one thing and nothing else.

Dropzones are not necessarily bad. They have amazingly stiff spring rates and probably the tokico illuminas don't have the strut power to withstand it either but that doesn't mean they are bad. It just means the springs are stiff and there isn't many struts to handle that kind of stiffness. Just blurting out dropzones are bad doesn't help anyone. Illuminas are much stiffer than blues. If you ever looked at the shock dynos on honda-tech (something that can't be proven wrong) you can see that the illuminas have a much stiffer rating.

I agree dropzones are bad with our accord struts unless they are revalved bilstiens or konis, but it doesn't mean that it is bad all the time.

[Legend_master]

this sounds like it could be a cheap alternative to konis or revalved bilsteins, how much longer are they? Are the rears close at all?

well the part that goes below where the spring sits is about 1/2" longer than the accord one. I did notice that it raised the front just a little, but if you were to match them with Coilovers then there wouldent be a problem. I have read on this forum that the rears from the same year civic will bolt on with no modification, but they are shorter. The fact that the strut is shorter should not affect the ride hight, but like I said before coilovers would work better.

On a side note I was looking at some CRX struts and noticed that they are almost identical to the accord, but that car is much lighter than ours so .

[AccordEpicenter]

are CRX struts the correct size and diameter? Maybe use the 92+ civic rear struts and 88-91 front struts?

[Legend_master]

are CRX struts the correct size and diameter? Maybe use the 92+ civic rear struts and 88-91 front struts?

I am not sure, but I know they are a much smaller diameter than the 96-00 civics struts. As for the 92+ rears I am not sure . Someone should take a trip to the junkyard and check out the 88-91 CRX front struts and see if they fit onto the Accord Lower fork. I am pretty sure the Illuminas for the CRX are they same strength as the civic. If this were true then there would be limitless amounts of suspention upgrades for the accord. Once I get the swap doen I will be getting the civic rear illuminas for my car.

[TheWatcher]

its hard to determine things from Honda-tech. Many of those people like one setup and will bash everything else to hell. There are alot of haters on that board and they prefer one thing and nothing else.

Dropzones are not necessarily bad. They have amazingly stiff spring rates and probably the tokico illuminas don't have the strut power to withstand it either but that doesn't mean they are bad. It just means the springs are stiff and there isn't many struts to handle that kind of stiffness. Just blurting out dropzones are bad doesn't help anyone. Illuminas are much stiffer than blues. If you ever looked at the shock dynos on honda-tech (something that can't be proven wrong) you can see that the illuminas have a much stiffer rating.

I agree dropzones are bad with our accord struts unless they are revalved bilstiens or konis, but it doesn't mean that it is bad all the time.

Thanks BustedBlue, I appreciate the response. Much better than being called a dickhead or hater. Whatevers, I'm going to the beach today.

I think I'll just cut my posts down. Whenever I see certain posts, I'll just refrain from posting (h22, people complaining about some wrong done to them, etc.). And anyone who attacked me for posting, if they have problems or ask for help/opinions, I'll just watch.

I love everyone at 3geez, but this is certainly is not worth it. Not when you live in paradise. If I post asking for help (and I will), I'm not going to bash anyone for trying to help me, that's for sure. I'm sorry if I end up not helping people as much, but once bitten twice shy.

If everyone was as cool as you BustedBlue, the world would be a better place.

Nuff said. I'm off to the beach, no surf today, but who cares, it's sunny!

Peace.

[Busted_Blue]

Sidenote: its a forum, its just words and don't take everything offensively. People are behind the computer and think it is ok to just flame away. Enjoy it. Honda-tech is always fun to watch people fight.





as the civic struts goes, I believe they are longer than our struts but they are the same diameter. I know EF guys use our struts to lower their front a bit more without losing shock travel.

Lemme see if i can find a link to it


found it!

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=399992




throw in some reverse technique and use their findings to our own advantage.
My guess is that we can use civic suspension (especially the shorten revalved ones to compensate for that extra 1inch) and just replace the top hat with our own (since the front ones are 2 on the civic and 3 on accords) and the rears should be fine.

it even says that the rear ones are identical....make sure you get the fork design (89-91) as there is also a box design on the early 88 models, if you are going to try them out.



so who got the money to try them out?

[Legend_master]

Sidenote: its a forum, its just words and don't take everything offensively. People are behind the computer and think it is ok to just flame away. Enjoy it. Honda-tech is always fun to watch people fight.





as the civic struts goes, I believe they are longer than our struts but they are the same diameter. I know EF guys use our struts to lower their front a bit more without losing shock travel.

Lemme see if i can find a link to it


found it!

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=399992




throw in some reverse technique and use their findings to our own advantage.
My guess is that we can use civic suspension (especially the shorten revalved ones to compensate for that extra 1inch) and just replace the top hat with our own (since the front ones are 2 on the civic and 3 on accords) and the rears should be fine.

it even says that the rear ones are identical....make sure you get the fork design (89-91) as there is also a box design on the early 88 models, if you are going to try them out.



so who got the money to try them out?

well thats fucking awsome, they make all kinds of suspetion mods for those year civics. I will be getting the rears from that year.

[Legend_master]

here is all the shocks/struts they make for that year civic. The illuminas are only $110.00.

http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/...20Civic%201990

[5spdaccordlxi]

about how much does using the illuminas raise the front since they are longer than the stock dampers?

[Legend_master]

about how much does using the illuminas raise the front since they are longer than the stock dampers?

well with dropzone springs (not coilovers), the car looks like this


I would suggest getting coilovers so you can adjust the ride hight.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

as the civic struts goes, I believe they are longer than our struts but they are the same diameter. I know EF guys use our struts to lower their front a bit more without losing shock travel.

Lemme see if i can find a link to it


found it!

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=399992

Whoa thats awesome.... So the only real issue is the front struts... I would love to get some full bodied coilovers and just dump my car... maybe this will become a reality soon with a little bit of trial and error..., Time to head to the junkyard for some civic shocks.

well with dropzone springs (not coilovers), the car looks like this

How much are the dropzones supposed to drop you? because the car looks quite high?

I really like the fact that you're trying out the civic shocks, thats awesome.