Anyone using Bosch oil filter?

[visionguru]

I've been using Bosch 3312 oil filter for a long time. Why? I can only judge from the external appearance, the quality seems better than a cheaper FRAM.
The other day, I went to AutoZone and saw their Valucraft V2808 ($2.19). I'm surprised that the filter is almost identical to Bosch 3312 ($5.99). Even the patent markings printed on the filters are the same. Next time switch to Valucraft?

[AccordRacing21]

Wow you guys make me feel guilty. I barely ever change my oil, and if I do I just use the cheapest filter/oil I can find. Really what difference does the brand of the filter and oil really make because I don't even know.

[lostforawhile]

easy you pay a little more for the filter and oil but pay less in engine wear over the long run,remember these are highly precision engines, the engineering and quality that went into these early honda engines is second to none. they built their reputation on these early cars. now tell me why would you put cheap oil and discount filters on it?

[AccordRacing21]

Very good point.

[Strugglebucket]

i just started using k&n. i like how you can use a wrench to remove it.

[Deadhead]

K&N IMO is not a good choice, just like their air filters, they are made for HIGH FLOW, not for really good filtering.

[NXRacer]

K&N Air filters are made for high flow but keep in mind they're also made for high filtering too. Their oil filters are very similar only they're made to filter oil. They make top quality products so i wouldnt think they'd compromise engine life for high oil flow.

I'd think that if the patent numbers are the same, then they use the same filter, just put different brand names on them which is common practice in the autoparts world.

[Deadhead]

That is what I thought until I was talking to my former boss ( i just got laid off) about K%N filters. The shop used to put those in until he found out that they let dust through. So we changed over to AFE filters.

That's what he told me... and generally he knows his stuff being in the business of exhaust and full banks kits and such.

Where was that link that showed several oil filters being torn apart and inspected for quality? I can't remember where I found it.

[Strugglebucket]

dust gives you more hp.

[lostforawhile]

well k&N oil filters are made for race applications,at least the ones i've seen,In a race application oil filter,they are not as concerned about filtering ability as oil flow ability,most race engines are only made to last a few thousand miles before being torn down and rebuilt. in a street driven vechicle you need to be more concerned about filtering ability for longer engine life. you don't run a street engine full out at maxium rpms for long periods.

[Deadhead]

ALRIGHT!!!

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml

THERE is the link that has some awesome information on oil filters

they tear them apart to see the build quality of each of them.

[Deadhead]

And here's some more information on the manufacturers of each of the filters etc that I got from bobistheoilguy.com

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=6;t=002456

Fram

Fram Extra Guard (std)
Fram Tough Guard (different media?)
Fram X2 (Silicone ADBV, Fuzzy media)
Fram Extended Guard(same as the X2)
Mileguard (Jiffy)
Honda (although some are alleged to be made by Filtech)
Chrysler line up except for the Cummins
Penzoil
Deffense
Canadian Tire

Champion Labs

Bosch
Car and Driver
Deutsch
Mobil 1
STP
SuperTech
K&N
Valvoline filters
Mighty
Service Champ
Lee
AutoZone Value Craft
Some AC Delco
VW (some)
Warner
Luberfiner
Trust

Wix

Carquest blue
Carquest red
Napa Gold
Napa Silver (lower quality with nitrile ADBV)
Kralinator (in Canada)
ALLIANCE (Freightliner aftermarket)

Purolator (Arvin Meritor)

Purolator premium plus (nitrile adbv)
Purolator Pure One (silicone adbv, different media)
Havoline
Maxlife Valvoline (some)
Group7
Promotive
Powerflow
Quaker State (less media)
Advanced Auto Total Grip. (less media)
Pep Boys Pro Line
MotorCraft
Superflo

Denso

Toyota

Mann+Hummel

Mann
Volvo

Clarcor

Baldwin
Hastings
Amsoil
Casite

[lostforawhile]

I told you the fram was crap,yes they used to leave the filter assembly strings in there,i've cut several of them apart to find the strings left in there. read the part about the bypass valve and the cardboard. know where that cardboard goes when it leaves the filter? guess?Comments:
The Fram filter appears well-made in terms of actual build quality (uniform pleat seperation, consistent glue, etc.). Contrary to The Mini-Mopar site evaluation, neither of the two Fram filters tested here had the "assembly" strings around the filter element, possibly a recent improvement made by Fram. There is a clear indentation where this string was (I presume it was removed prior to final assembly). The filter element is somewhat "fuzzier" than any of the Bosch, STP, or M1 units, though not as much as the Honda (US-made) media. I'm not sure how much this might deteriorate over time. The poor sealing of the plastic bypass would likely result in some continual bypass, and after only a few minutes of playing with the valve I was able to get it to stick open. This bypass design would appear to be very poor. My primary concern with this filter are the cardboard end caps- I would be suspicious that the cardboard would deteriorate over time and may come loose, especially considering that the cardboard is in the way (partially) of the oil flow. I would be particularly concerned about this in a racing environment where higher pressures are common.

[Strugglebucket]

dust gives you more hp.

i didn't really mean that.

the k&n gold i'm sure is not race only. it's rated for 10 microns which is pretty much in line with everybody else.

[lostforawhile]

yea thanks to north texas preludes for that link,everybody should read that!! what an eye opener. don't buy fram or north american or canadian honda filters. it figures you can't get the good honda filters here. they said the bosch stp and mobile one filters look just like the jdm honda filters you can't get here. . ialways knew fram was crap i've know that for years,my 7th grade shop teacher cut one open out of the box,and yes it had the strings in it.

[lostforawhile]

somebody make this link a sticky,this is great info and i'm sure they went through a lot of trouble to do this for fellow honda owners. http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=6;t=002456

[lostforawhile]

update on this, last time i checked NTPOG had become such assholes,you can't even browse their site without paying,thats why the link doesn't work. glad we are better then that here.

[ghettogeddy]

the link worked for me

[lostforawhile]

well it's back up,a while back i tried to go to the link,and it said you couldn't access it from ouside of their site,so i went to their site,and it said you couldn't browse without paying. maby they pissed off enough people.
here is the correct url. i don't know where the oildrop site came from but looks very interesting. here is the NTPOG link http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml

[lostforawhile]

hey check out the home page of the site from the other link http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

[BITESIZE]

A filter is a filter, just change your oil when you are supposed to and drive your car good.

[russiankid]

A filter is a filter, just change your oil when you are supposed to and drive your car good.

Yep. I use a Mobile filter, caused drain backs . So i went back to Puralator.

[lostforawhile]

A filter is a filter, just change your oil when you are supposed to and drive your car good.

i'm really suprised you said that,that sounds like something someone might say who drives a minivan and gets their oil changed at walmart. there is a big difference. thats why for example, fram uses cardboard in their filters and frequently leaves foreign objects in them, also charges a bunch more for the same filter with some kind of goop in it,and uses plastic bypass valves that fail almost the first time you start your engine. look at the construction in the bosch, you don't see that garbage. i've cut them apart before myself,there is a big difference. so the bosch costs a little more,your engine lasts longer too. thats the same reason not to buy save-a-lot motor oil, sure it meets minimum standards, but would you rather have something like your oil meet minimun standars,or far exceed them? i would go with the stp myself,i cut apart one myself,and it looks identical to the bosch inside. it even had the same number stamped into the baseplate. the bosch is just like the factory jdm you can't get here. they probably make it for honda.

[ghettogeddy]

i'm really suprised you said that,that sounds like something someone might say who drives a minivan and gets their oil changed at walmart. there is a big difference. thats why for example, fram uses cardboard in their filters and frequently leaves foreign objects in them, also charges a bunch more for the same filter with some kind of goop in it,and uses plastic bypass valves that fail almost the first time you start your engine. look at the construction in the bosch, you don't see that garbage. i've cut them apart before myself,there is a big difference. so the bosch costs a little more,your engine lasts longer too. thats the same reason not to buy save-a-lot motor oil, sure it meets minimum standards, but would you rather have something like your oil meet minimun standars,or far exceed them? i would go with the stp myself,i cut apart one myself,and it looks identical to the bosch inside. it even had the same number stamped into the baseplate. the bosch is just like the factory jdm you can't get here. they probably make it for honda.

so when my rebuild is done should i get a bosch filter and go synthetic like redline or something

[russiankid]

i'm really suprised you said that,that sounds like something someone might say who drives a minivan and gets their oil changed at walmart. there is a big difference. thats why for example, fram uses cardboard in their filters and frequently leaves foreign objects in them, also charges a bunch more for the same filter with some kind of goop in it,and uses plastic bypass valves that fail almost the first time you start your engine. look at the construction in the bosch, you don't see that garbage. i've cut them apart before myself,there is a big difference. so the bosch costs a little more,your engine lasts longer too. thats the same reason not to buy save-a-lot motor oil, sure it meets minimum standards, but would you rather have something like your oil meet minimun standars,or far exceed them? i would go with the stp myself,i cut apart one myself,and it looks identical to the bosch inside. it even had the same number stamped into the baseplate. the bosch is just like the factory jdm you can't get here. they probably make it for honda.

Have you ever cut open a Puralator filter? If so how well are they designed? That is what i use and i do not notice any problems.