Convert 3gee to Water!!!

[dalinxz]

Im thinking of doing this, anybody want to be a part of it?

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/carplans.htm

[frantik]

lol.. that would be awesome, though doesn't look very practical

[dalinxz]

lol i so badly want to try it, but working on our cars would require a heap of effort, especially with all the forming of rust, and siezed bolts.

[MessyHonda]

lol.. that would be awesome, though doesn't look very practical

what do you mean???????...we live in the bay....i would do that cuz bridgetoll is 3 bucks...that is like a gal of gas that you can save. that would be one rare 3gee if he does it

[TdotWarrior]

lol i so badly want to try it, but working on our cars would require a heap of effort, especially with all the forming of rust, and siezed bolts.

rust would be a fuckin huge bitch to deal with >_<

[dalinxz]

rust would be a fuckin huge bitch to deal with >_<

no you coat all the cylinders and all with a cermic of some sort.

[Vanilla Sky]

hmm. are all aluminum engine blocks sleeved?

our pistons are aluminum and our valves are titanium if i remember correctly. i may be thinking of another engine, though :x

[Kabuki]

No the 3G Prelude's B21A1 has Carbon Fiber/Aluminum Alloy sleeves. Honda Valves are Stainless Steel. However, I looked at that website, and all I have to say is: OMFG, ROFL. That is the biggest pile of bullshit I've seen all week.

[Vanilla Sky]

you CAN break water down. i've done it myself. this is nothing new, really. just google "brown's gas."

[snoopyloopy]

sounds like a good plan. but you'll probably end up spending more to convert than you spend in gas. although gas is getting up there. it might be more and more economically viable soon.

[Vanilla Sky]

you know, it doesn't cost all that much to install such a system. a lot of the parts can be purchased in the junkyard for less than the cost of a single fill up. the expensive things are going to be your water tank and rustproofing your engine. most of us have exhaust work coming up, or have a hook up to get it done cheaply. i don't see the setup costing more than $1000, with most of the money going into the engine.

BTW, most people don't do ANYTHING to their engines when installing water injection. with WI, you're squirting misted water into the intake tract, which is just as bad as the water forming in the process, possibly worse.

[shepherd79]

you may as well put your car on tow truck and kiss it good bye.

[Kabuki]

you CAN break water down. i've done it myself. this is nothing new, really. just google "brown's gas."

Yeah, I'm not arguing with the principle of electrolysis.... I'm arguing the law of conservation of energy. And the fact that the rest of that website is all crazy conspiracy and aliens crap.

[Gemini2003]

I wonder if there is some way to verify the plans... I wouldn't even know where to look...

[Drewcifer1972]

It takes MORE energy to convert to Browns gas than you will create. Its crap.

[dalinxz]

umm it actually is possible the guy was on the news, converted a Ford Escort. The sites is hydro tech apps or something like that

[w261w261]

I have this huge reservoir in the town where I live. So if I go and stick a couple of electrodes in it, "vibrate" them correctly, then KABOOM! Better not let the terrorists see this.

It's amazing what people will spend their time writing. Such BS.

[Drewcifer1972]

I agree, it is possible. BUT the amount of energy it takes to create Browns gas is more than ....MUCH MORE than the WORST gas sucker ever made. YES you can run on water for about ....not kidding.....less than 1 mile per gallon. This guy has been trying to get his name out for years looking for investors and its a scam. he sells welders and pays people TO GET OTHERS to invest in this "miracle energy source" It takes HUGE amounts of electricity to convert H2O to hydrogen and oxygen. Dont take my word for it....look it up. Fuel cells might be a viable power source someday but not now.

[w261w261]

It takes HUGE amounts of electricity to convert H2O to hydrogen and oxygen.

The Hydrogen-Oxygen bond is a very stong one in H2O. Getting those two molecules apart is a tough job, energy-wise. Also, there's a reason they use water to put *out* fires, not *start* them. Duh.

[A20A1]

Are we making a steam engine here? hehe

[bucket_man]

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/dec3/h20karma.htm

Once you read that page you can really see that this guys more of a tripper than a scientist/mechanic...
Check out number 4, seems this guy has actually seen the law of conservation broken by a device that used 'no power whatsoever.' move over Einstien, Drunvalo Melchizedek is here to pwn you with 'water karma'!!

[w261w261]

Enough time wasted on this guy. For those interested, you gotta get into real perpetual motion. Try this site:

http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/museum/unwork.htm

[Gemini2003]

Well I'm going to have to bring this back from the dead guys.

And this is why:

Browns Gas or alternately known as HHO Gas is a realistic possibility for anyone's car!

It is TRUE that you cannot get more out energy out of something then you put in.

What I'm suggesting is a HHO/Normal gas HYBRID vehicle.

Everyone always says "it will never work" or "it takes more to makes browns gas then you get out of it"

I'm here to clarify one thing: I'm not suggesting getting something from nothing.

I'm suggesting using the excess power your car is creating every second and putting it to a GREAT use.

Our alternators are creating electricity every second. Not all of this electricity goes to use (especially if your not running a stereo system) or else we would not be able to charge our batteries... right?

SO...

Why not use some of our additional electricity to split Hydrogen and Oxygen from water? With the use of a HHO Fuel Cell you can create HHO gas on demand. Meaning that you do not need to install a tank to store this HHO gas.. Thus making it fairly safe to have in your vehicle. Once HHO gas combusts it turns back into Pure Water!

The process of making an HHO Fuel Cell is EASY. You can make a HHO fuel cell from items in your house! (I HAVE done this). In my first small scale test I used: a 1.5 liter Juice container (hard plastic), two nails (stainless steel), Two 4 foot lengths of wire (one for positive one for negative), a 12v car battery, some baking soda, a tube of silicone and a condom.

I put the nails in either side of the juice container so that the tips of the nails where almost touching (about 5 mm apart). Then I hooked the positive wire to one nail and the negative wire to the other nail (now the nails are Electrodes). I used silicone to seal the nail holes so that they would not leak. I then filled the juice container with tap water till about 2" above the nails. I then added the baking soda to the water (as an electrolyte). Next I put the condom on the top of the container (to see if I was generating any gas, obviously you can use a balloon but I only had jimmy hats lol).

After all that I connected the 12V Car battery and TADA! Bubbles started to form (and rise) on the negative and positive electrodes (hydrogen and oxygen) and then release to the top of the container...as soon as they hit the top of the water the Hydrogen and Oxygen combine (a chemical mixture as a pose to mechanical) and the result is HHO gas.

This was my first attempt at creating a HHO fuel cell. It worked... but it didn't create very much gas at all... This is because I used nails and they have very little surface area. My other experiments used a larger surface area and yielded much more gas per minute.

Once you have created your HHO fuel cell you can then simply pipe the HHO gas into the clean air side of your air filter... thus going directly into your fuel/air mixture.

This will increase your gas mileage theoretically (I say theoretically as I have NOT tried this yet attached to my car yet) as the HHO will help fully complete the burn of the fossil fuel (regular gas) and the resulting emissions are substantially less.

I have seen reports of 20%-50% Fuel economy increase !!!!! and that is why I'm trying these experiments.... I'm up to my 3rd Experiment now... I've only been at it for a week and a bit.

I have a few concerns about rust... But I also know that propane cars have water coming out of their exhaust pips... so I don't know how long it would take for rust to effect the engine (if it even would)... I'm thinking the combusted hho would flow right into and out of the exhaust pipe...

[lostforawhile]

this doesn't work, the only really good fuel cell vehicle right now is a honda,but you have to fill it up with hydrogen. they spent over a billion developing the car,so i don't think some junkyard parts are going to do the trick. if you want to run it for almost nothing, put in a diesel engine and set it to run on used cooking oil,this has been done and proven.

[lostforawhile]

all right heres some quotes from the idiot, if you don't think he's nuts,look at the part about the "megaton" water asteroids

Dear [name withheld],

The following is my opinion, and I recognize that others may think differently.

This potential problem of running cars on water and using so much water that it destroys the atmosphere and probably all life of Earth has been considered for over 30 years now.

In 1970, a company I consulted for in Canada invented a simple catalytic device to break water into hydrogen and oxygen so that it could be burned. After a great deal of thought, we destroyed the plans, thinking in the same way as some of you that it would eventually use up the world's supply of water and harm or destroy the Earth.

However, in recent times I have changed my mind, and here is why.

Temporary Measures

Foremost, the idea of running gasoline engines on water would only be used as a temporary measure and as a stepping-stone to far better technologies, which already exist and which would quickly replace this idea of running cars on water.

But until the strangle-hold of the oil companies is broken, these higher technologies will never come out, and the use of petroleum will continue. This is the consensus of the scientists that I have spoken with. What I have heard around the world is: "If we use the water car technology, this will open the way to even simpler and greater technologies that are clean and harmless."

Water Asteroids

Further, it has been found that the Earth's water supply is not static, as most of us have believed. The amount of water on Earth is increasing every day. In fact, it has been discovered in the last few years that vast amounts of water are daily arriving from space in the form of water asteroids! These huge, megaton water asteroids hit the upper atmosphere, immediately vaporize, and eventually settle down to Earth.