drive to maine developed some "big" problems

[labeledsk8r]

well as some of you guys know i was leaveing florida and heading up to maine, i ended up driveing my 3gee so i could keep her, well as i left my city she started blowing some smoke out the tail pipe (not from the coolent problem i had before i took care of that) i figured it was some oil from my oil change i did the day before, i had over filled it a bit so i figured it was burning off, well it kept doing it for state after state, after nightfall i didnt notice it so i just kept on trucking, well by day brake i stoped for gas and desided to check my oil and top up since i know i had a slow leek, i filled it back up and started off, right away it started smokeing real bad, and did this for a while, my car wasnt over heating atleast the gauge ddint say so, since i have gotten to maine it hasnt done it, but when i lifted the car up i noticed alot of oil on the oil pump pully and the belt squels when i start her up, could this be a bad oil pump nad could this cause it??? if so what parts am i gona need?? ima have to order everything since im out in the middle of no where. but im here in maine and i got some pics but my cell doesnt work in maine lol and im 56K now but im back, thanks alot guys

**edit** just to add, ima do a compression test to make sure i didnt screw up a cylinder or 2 aswell, i need to get the smokeing fixed asap

[MessyHonda]

swap in a fuel injected engine....yeah you are have a shit load of problems....your rings could be busted...or valves

[labeledsk8r]

i dont have time or money to fuel injection swap, if i did that i might as well get a new car considering all the body damage my car has, as long as it runs good with the mods it has im happy, ima be buyg a new car when i go off to college but keep the 3 gee for a daily driver, but as of now i just want it running good again, ima do the compresion test tomarow and i pray it reads good, there was a sh*t load of oil around the oil pump, would a bad oil pump cause the engein to burn oil???

[2oodoor]

the sky is falling the sky is falling. not to worry this time, just grab and umbrella aka oil pump seal kit, just o-ring s, also cam seal.
Labeled,dont worry so much , the enging would have hardened o rings regardless of fuel system . If it were mine , going by what your saying here, would do those things and repl timing beltk it bound to be oil soaked,thius real risk to belt sliding over a couple o teeth on cam gear.It sounds like you did not loose a lot of oil , but just the annoying smoke. SEARCH the forum for oil leaks,and discover how many LXi or LX have. their the same pracitcaly exact plant except intake mani and pvc design. .. look into replacing pvc system, oil filter base o ring special shaped one, o ring on oil separator.
all of these seals are very easy to replace but your gonna need to lift upt the car a good bit.There almost always the same place where the leaks showup, lord bless Honda for not using RTV sealant like
General Junk Motors or FWD chryslers... And I hopeyou dont find anything seriously wrong with it not matter how bad you want too... just joking man...stay with commonality of specific models and you will see them all here at 3g, for problems,or areas where work was recently done. I hope you get it resolved, and good luck, send me some lobster cakes on dry ice sometimee.... lol

[labeledsk8r]

well i pulled the plugs for a compresion test, the 2 center plugs are coverd in oil , the outside ones were a little damp aswell but chared over on the tips, i avent done the compresion test yet becuse i know hat the oil in the cylinders with throw off the readings. i doubt a bad oil pump can couse this but i have no idea.

and roodoo2 i have replaced all of the seals you have listed i used to burn oil on my downpipe, all of my smoke now is out of the tailpipe. and not loseing much oil?? i lost over 9 quarts on the trip (kept refilling along the way) this isnt a normal oil leak,

[labeledsk8r]

ok just did the compresion test and here they are.

these are from left to right (looking at engine) far left 130 ps, center left 181 psi, center right 169/170 psi, far right 155/160 psi, there all off by atleast 10 psi so know something is out of wack. like i said before theres oil in every cylinder, any ideas? or places i should start takeing apart to check??? im clueless

[UnforgivenPyro]

damn man, that sucks...i hope you get everything straightened out...keep in touch bro...

[MessyHonda]

ok just did the compresion test and here they are.
these are from left to right (looking at engine) far left 130 ps, center left 181 psi, center right 169/170 psi, far right 155/160 psi, there all off by atleast 10 psi so know something is out of wack. like i said before theres oil in every cylinder, any ideas? or places i should start takeing apart to check??? im clueless

yeah i dont like that 130...could be busted piston rings or bad valves.

[Oldblueaccord]

ok just did the compresion test and here they are.
these are from left to right (looking at engine) far left 130 ps, center left 181 psi, center right 169/170 psi, far right 155/160 psi, there all off by atleast 10 psi so know something is out of wack. like i said before theres oil in every cylinder, any ideas? or places i should start takeing apart to check??? im clueless

if its not a leak externally then yeah its prolly the rings.

Thats a pretty long trip miles wise so 9 quarts into what 2500 miles is not great but its liveable.

Did you have a valve job done when you did the head gasket maybe there was a mistake there with the valves guides?

wp

[AccordEpicenter]

was it overheated?

[labeledsk8r]

well im getting ready to start pulling it apart tonight, starting with the valve cover and working my way down. if i cant fix this then ima be forced to part out the car but i hope it doesnt come to that.

yeah the trip was long, but the final milage was 1,637 miles, and 9 quarts used durring the trip so i got 2 oil changes done while on the road, im hopeing its going to be valves not rings (if its not something simpler) but who knows.

i dont think the car has over heated, atleast not while i have owned it, it has blown a hose twice since i have owned it but as soon as it blew i shut the car off. the guy that owned the car before me did not take care of it at all, thus why i have dumped so much money into fixing it, so it could very well have been over heated by him, i will check back in once the valve cover comes off and if needed the head taken off

[labeledsk8r]

well valve cover is off, there was alot of oil up top there (am i suposed to drain the oil first lol??) but oil was spilling out as i took the cover off so it seemed a bit much up top. what shouild i be looking for? test posible to start checking for the problem area?? this will be the first time riping an engine apart so im in noob city right now

[ghettogeddy]

i dient drain the oil in my lx when i put the polished valve cover on nor did i have any spill out

[3G Jester]

what a drive. i would love to travel every mile of 95. as an east coast boy thats my high way and would be hella fun but then i would love to drive the oposite way ruinning up trhe coast seeign everything i could.

way to stop in VA, dick :P

hope all works out with your 3 g

[labeledsk8r]

ok i have desided to pull the head, i have the radiator coolent draining now, never done this before but its as good of time as ever to learn .

way to stop in VA, dick :P

haha yeah my bad i was on a time limit, i actully had to turn a few people down on quick visits/mini meets on the way up. i had ended up driveing the whole thing non-stop (except for an hour nap on the new jeresy turnpike,and no not while driveing lol), but yes the drive was very nice, i really woulda loved to stop an sight see a bit, thought i could do it on the way back, not so much now as i might not have a car.

i will keep this updated as much as posible

[MessyHonda]

well valve cover is off, there was alot of oil up top there (am i suposed to drain the oil first lol??) but oil was spilling out as i took the cover off so it seemed a bit much up top. what shouild i be looking for? test posible to start checking for the problem area?? this will be the first time riping an engine apart so im in noob city right now

yeah i took off my DX cover off and nothing spilled.all the oil should be in the oil pan not on the valves. yeah hope its a cheap fix like a gasket or something

[Oldblueaccord]

ok i have desided to pull the head, i have the radiator coolent draining now, never done this before but its as good of time as ever to learn .
haha yeah my bad i was on a time limit, i actully had to turn a few people down on quick visits/mini meets on the way up. i had ended up driveing the whole thing non-stop (except for an hour nap on the new jeresy turnpike,and no not while driveing lol), but yes the drive was very nice, i really woulda loved to stop an sight see a bit, thought i could do it on the way back, not so much now as i might not have a car.
i will keep this updated as much as posible

Well that does sound wierd like there's to much oil in th top of the motor. There should be a little under the cam its like in an oil bath.

Maybe when you did the head gasket last there where some drain back holes that got covered maybe.

How much oil did you drain out ? did it seem excessive like more than 4 qts? Maybe when you checked it hot on the road most of the oil was in the top pf the motor and not in the oil pan. If it was over filled it be smoking and splash from the crank really get into the cylinders.



wp

[labeledsk8r]

yeah i was wondering if to much oil up top could be a problem. i dont even know were the oil return lines are for the top? right now im draining the oil and takieng out the front end/radiator for more room, then takeing out powwer stearing and such for more room to pull the head, with the head off i will be able to check the valves and look at the tops of the pistons to see if there f*cked. i will try to get pics up sometime but i have to transfre the pics threw 2 computers just to get them to the internet lol, i will keep posted

[AccordEpicenter]

im gonna guess the cylinders have bad scoring and the pistons are cat pawed.

[labeledsk8r]

im gonna guess the cylinders have bad scoring and the pistons are cat pawed.

i know.... thats what im afrade of... if thats the case ima have to scrap my car, i cant aford a new engine, hell if the rings are bad ima be debateing to drop cash for a rebuild kit, just to much money dumped into a carb accord (with body damage) only time will tell, i got some pics but cant upload till my actual computer gets setup for internet

[labeledsk8r]

ok out working on the car somemore, and im still clearing around the negein trying to make space (its amazinge what honda can fit in such a small space) but i was pulling the power stearing mount and a/c compressor mount out and i look at the bolts as i pull them out, the lower 2-4 bolts for the a/c mount were coverd in oil, wet fresh oil, i had pulled my a/c along time ago but couldent get the mount out, i didnt think those bolts held anytihng besides the braket, posible crack?? dont know, also do i really need to take out my carb and all that BS stuff just to get the intake manifold out, thanks

[AccordEpicenter]

take the head/carb/intake mani/exhaust mani out as one piece, itll save time if you decide to fix the engine or decide to shitcan it

[labeledsk8r]

i have never done this before, i have the exaust manifold out, but the intake one im haveing trouble i know were the main bolts are the conect it to the head, is there anytihng else? i really hate screwing with the carb on this car anyways, oh well, i hope to have the head off by tonight, i hope

[AccordEpicenter]

leave it together and take the head off with the intake manifold still on the head. Dont forget about the support bracket under the intake mani

[2oodoor]

hope for the best , maybe is was just a head gasket or valves. sorry dint know you had done oil pump already, I thought you mentioned you were concerned there . It is better to leave intake on head but you have to make sure everything is unattached, every hose, wire, connector, oiltube.etc, dont force it off if you feel resistance, let the head rest kinda off to the side and look with flashlight, dont loose the dowel pins and Oil whistle, (orifice in center rear of head), taking off the exhaust before hand is recommended unless your like big green and busting outta your normal clothing...hulk
different strokes for diff folks...good luck, also look around for used 3 g in the area for free or next to nothing, there around esp carb models..