Extra holes in the front beam

[carotman]

Well Today I noticed that there are 2 extra holes in the front beam where the motor mount goes. These holes aren't used by the motor mount.

I noticed that the rear mount will bolt up right there but it's not high enough to be used as a proper engine mount

Anyone knows what these are for?

I'm pretty sure it's related to #4 in the picture which seems to be an insulator from what honda says.

[carotman]

Ok... I found something INTERESTING by browsing the JDM parts catalog

The rear mount can be used as a front mount too

Engine mount (Big picture)

The bracket is not the same however.

The part number is 50825-SE0-930 and didn't match here.

This would solve my engine mount problems. No more hydro mount!!!!!

[Swap_File]

Edit: You beat me to posting the big picture.

I just ordered a new set of mounts, they should be here early next week. I can take measurements from them if you want. Also, My current engine is pulled, I have the extra junk engine, I have an extra front crossmember sitting around, and my old mounts if you need measurements from any of that.

[carotman]

I'll just order the bracket from honda.co.nz (They provide an excellent service so far)

I know that the carb motors use a similar bracket but I'm sure it's not the right one. The carb front engine mount is taller than the rear mount. Also, the fact that the part number doesn't cross match here is a good indication. Hmmm maybe I could install a sleeve on the rear mount....

Edit:

Why sell the insulator when you don't even sell the bracket that goes with it.... I'm sure it won't be available. Lol

[Swap_File]

I checked, and the rear mount's bolt is too short to fit through the stock front bracket. There is no thread sticking out to put a nut on.

[thegreatdane]

Well I'll be damned... Great discovery!

The part number you provided is just for the 86-87 front engine bracket, look here:




So all you need then would be the insulator thingy, if you even do need that.

[thegreatdane]

Aparantly it's a heat insulator that nr. 4
All the parts exists in the EDM parts catalogue.

[carotman]

Too bad the part number doesn't exist here. I'll call the dealer tomorrow and see if they have anything that looks like this. The heat insulator is available...

I found this when I typed the part number in google.

http://www.hondaworld.ru/honda_detai...category_6.htm

I hope it's the correct bracket... There is another bracket with part number 50825-SE0-000 that has the same drawing. Hard to tell from this picture.

I noticed that www.slhondaparts.com doesn't list parts for our Accord (onle post 1990). This may be why I couldn't find the bracket number. I will definetly give a ring to the local dealer this morning.

[carotman]

Well, cars with bracket # 50825-SE0-000 don't list the hydro mount as being available while the ones with 50825-SE0-930 do....

I think I got the good one here

http://www.hondaworld.ru/honda_detai...category_6.htm

50825-SE0-000 would be the correct one.

[carotman]

Errr, I just called the dealer and it turns out that none of the part numbers will match in Canada... Weird thing. The one I currently have on my car is 50825-SE0-A00.

I'll order the '000' bracket and we'll see

Dane, can you check at your Honda dealer (or junkyard) in denmark if some of the cars have the non hydro mount on them?

[AccordEpicenter]

i have some kind of vibration damper bolted to the front beam. My car was also a factory auto car, maybe that is a difference?

[bobafett]

i figured that was some BS for the auto tranny cars. i just removed mine, damn thing weighed like 5 lbs. its in the garbage now!

[thegreatdane]

Errr, I just called the dealer and it turns out that none of the part numbers will match in Canada... Weird thing. The one I currently have on my car is 50825-SE0-A00.
I'll order the '000' bracket and we'll see
Dane, can you check at your Honda dealer (or junkyard) in denmark if some of the cars have the non hydro mount on them?

SLautoparts doesnt list the 3rd gen accord anymore but you can still look up the part numbers for it.

I do seem to remember having heard, read about or handled a non hydraulic front mount, I just dont think that was in the shape of a rear mount...
I dont think you need to order any bracket though, just try using the one you have now together with a rear mount. Because the cast iron bracket and the old model sheet metal bracket can be interchanged (almost), the only difference is that the small guide pin in the front mount doesnt have the same position.

[carotman]

Well, yes and no. The front mount has different height between the cast and steel bracket. Even the auto front mount on some years is taller. The stud on the mount is also different.

I checked everything and the non hydro mount is 1 inch shorter than the hydro mount. This would mean the bracket is different

[thegreatdane]

Hmmm, maybe it's different in the usdm cars, because i swapped around those brackets at one time and I'm 85% sure there was no height difference, but yea not a 100% sure lol. And that stud thing you're saying was the guide pin i was talking about.

I might try taking a look at the brackets i have laying around if i havent thrown them away yet.

[AccordEpicenter]

this is very interesting

[carotman]

Well, it seems that this bracket is not available anymore I guess they upgraded to the hydro mount... DAMN!



I'll have to either find a used bracket or fabricate one.

[LXlimited]

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Does anyone know what #1(damper) is supposed to do? I have to tighten mines because the bolt was so loose. Does any of you guys have to do this?

[forrest89sei]

They still have stuff for our cars on SL Honda you just have to type the year:

1986
http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.a...CORD&Year=1986
1987
http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.a...CORD&Year=1987
1988
http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.a...CORD&Year=1988
1989
http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.a...CORD&Year=1989

and where can I access the EDM & JDM Parts catalog?

and what dealers overseas can we order from online?


Thanks

[carotman]

Well, I got the bracket, I'll have to try this and see if it reduces the engine movement.

[TdotWarrior]

it probably should ^

[carotman]

A little update here

Well. I installed the "rear" mount in the front X-member yesterday. I was able to source a used bracket from thegreatdane (thanks again buddy) and it seems that it fits the B20A without a problem.

I filled the mount with eurethane and it's now extra stiff. There's not too much vibration in the car to my surprise. I can now break the tires loose when shifting in 2nd gear.

I don't know how long it will hold but it's definetly better than this shitty hydro mount. This is a nice mod you can do to your car! BTW, this front bracket is still available. The guys at Honda NZ were on something this day.

Pictures soon to come.

[lostforawhile]

so on usdm cars you can swap in a rear mount with no modifications? I'm confused here.

[guaynabo89]

A little update here
Well. I installed the "rear" mount in the front X-member yesterday. I was able to source a used bracket from thegreatdane (thanks again buddy) and it seems that it fits the B20A without a problem.
I filled the mount with eurethane and it's now extra stiff. There's not too much vibration in the car to my surprise. I can now break the tires loose when shifting in 2nd gear.
I don't know how long it will hold but it's definetly better than this shitty hydro mount. This is a nice mod you can do to your car! BTW, this front bracket is still available. The guys at Honda NZ were on something this day.
Pictures soon to come.

Did you try it at all before adding the fill to the mount to see what the differnce was?

so the stamped steel bracket for the front sits about an inch lower than the hydro mount?

Did you check to see if you could use the usdm stamped steel bracket with a rear mount? If the stud on the mount is long enough you might just be able to add a steel spacer. Dont you think?

And how much of a better design is the rear mount than the front hydro mount? They both seem kinda weak to me. Would it even beconsidered an upgrade? The only good thing I see is that you can add urethane to it like you did and wont break.


*EDIT*
Plus Ive been looking at those engine tourque dampers and I think Im going to get the Ingalls made one. Im going to try and mount it where the stock ones goes in our engines but there will definately be some bracket fabrication involved.

[Vanilla Sky]

why not just drain the hydro mount and fill it with epoxy?