F20B

**2Fast_Fiero** · 08-31-2002, 08:02 PM

I'm gonna do a B20A5 swap within this month since my A20 head is warped, I'm gonna fix it up, and run with it for a year or hopefully less, then I'm gonna save up and buy a F20B, Place Racing Inc. just told me that they dont have any swap mounts for that motor and mine, but they will make some if I like, it will cost more then the regular swap mounts for a B engine, but will be worth it.
F20B Specs: F20B 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1955 149 kW ?? '90-'93 Accord Si-R (JDM)

I only have one question, WTF is kW and how do I find out the hp and tq on this engine? JHP told me the Power is 200hp, but I dont know the TQ. This engine is also the same weight I belive as our A20A3 engines.

Any info you guys could help me with will be apretiated.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 08-31-2002, 08:04 PM

Does anyone know if the F20B FWD Trany will fit the F20C motor?
F20C Specs: F20C 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1997 240hp@8300rpm 153tq@7500rpm '00-'02 S2000

**shepherd79** · 09-01-2002, 03:14 AM

all right, lets get this shit strait.
first of all, B20A5 swap will not bolt in directly. it has different mounts. it has same mounts as b16a.
second of all, f20a is JDm specs engine and it has 150hp@6100 137lb-ft@5000
so before you desided to do any engine swap think twice before you do it.

***carotman*** · 09-01-2002, 06:55 AM

when they DO make mounts for the F20B, just tell us here.

That will be fun.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-01-2002, 06:54 PM

I know its JDM, thats why I said it was (JDM), And I know what engine mounts I need, PRI is going to make them for me, and they are gonna help me out with everything else I need. I am going to swap the F20B into my new car about 5-6 months after I buy it, I'm not gonna do the B20A5 swap because I'm parting my car. I talked to JHP about buying the F20B from them, and how they sell it, it will be 200hp stock from the '98 Honda Accord SiR-T, not the one I just posted from the 90-93 Honda Accord SiR. If there is a better motor that is the same size as these motors (A20, B20, F20) Please let me know, the H22 is WAY to heavy, I dont want anything bigger then those engines, Maybe a B18 or B16, but I want to stand out, people are allready thinking of doing those swaps, I want to be different, I dont care if I have to save up 8grand for this swap, I'll do it.

***carotman*** · 09-01-2002, 07:15 PM

The F20B is the SAAAAAAME size as the H22A.

They share alot of things.

F20B:
Overpriced, less hp than the H22A

**bobafett** · 09-01-2002, 08:05 PM

lol @ carot! hehe... DAMN YOU, you burst my bubble!

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-01-2002, 08:36 PM

The Honda Engines.PDF that I have says that the F20B is much lighter then the H22A, and the H22A and F20B hold the same power, unless you get one from a diff car, the H22A from the SiR Prelude, it has 210hp, and the F20B from the 98 Accord holds 200hp, and its 2.0 and not 2.2, I dont know now, your confusin me. This Honda Engines.PDF that this guy just sent me that has every engine Honda Made says that the F20B is a lighter engine.

***carotman*** · 09-02-2002, 06:00 AM

did you look at the torque curve of both engines??

They might have the same HP, but I doubt about the Torque.

***AZmike*** · 09-02-2002, 10:25 AM

All you need to know to convert Horsepower and KW is that 1 hp is 746 W or (.746 KW)
so 1 KW is 1/.746 HP

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-02-2002, 12:54 PM

No, thats what I'm tryin to find, I went to a few Import Chat Rooms to see if anyone knew or could tell me the difference between the H22A S Engine, and the F20B SiR-T Engine, Especialy in weight, because JHM told me that the F20B is lighter then the H22A. If it is as heavy as the H22A like you said, I'm gonna have to find another motor, because I want something that is different, Maybe a B18C5 would be good since nobody that I've seen yet has done that motor yet.

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 09-02-2002, 01:45 PM

Well I'm glad to see you try and confirm some things. How much does your engine weigh, does anyone know a factual amount? I've never heard someone drop a factual figure. So how do you know for a fact that any given engine, especially a all aluminum vs cast iron one, is lighter or heavier? And are you really going to spend the big $$ to do this or are you just thinking out loud? What kind of numbers have you found out for a F20b, H22A or the B18c5 with transmissions? $$!!??

I do remember Justanothermike mentioning the shipping weight of H22A that openloop got and installed in their 4th gen, I thougt is was sorta heavy, IMO. But still can't believe it would weight more than our iron block engines, IMO.

Understand that it's possible that the place that told you that the F20B weighs less may be saying that, so they can push a motor that they make more profit on vs usual combo's. Profit drive can create some interesting facts in this world, so do verify.

**night** · 09-02-2002, 02:23 PM

a B with tranny is 300lbs
and H with tranny is 385.

i would say the F's are about 350ish

**shepherd79** · 09-02-2002, 02:39 PM

ok here is what i have dig up on F20B
1998 SIR or SIR-T accords had them.
they both have 11:1 compression.
both have 1997cc engine size.
but they have diff. HP outputt.
SIR model had 180hp@7000rpm 19.6kg*m@5500rpm(don't know how to get to Lb).
SIR-T model had 200@7200rpm 20kg*m@6600rpm.
the diff in horse power was because on SIR model the pistons traver 80mm and on SIR-T model they travel 88mm.
SIR-T model came with 5speed only. and SIR had 4 auto sport.
this is all have for now, i can't find how much it weight.
oh yeah here are the specs for H22 220hp@7200rpm 22.5kg*m@6500, piston travel 90.7mm, compression 11:1
and it looks like H22 and F20 had the same trans or they had the same final gear ratio 4.266

PS. just for kickers in '97 honda offered accord in 4 wheel drive mode. it had F20B engine, it was the same engine as in SIR-T except it had 9:1 compression, and it made 148HP.
i just thought it was cool.

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 09-02-2002, 03:17 PM

Did I read that right you say honda made a JDM 4-wheel drive accord? Where did you read that? I find that one really hard to believe. What mechanics would it have used? Honda's 4wd parts bin was pretty slim at best in 97.

**YK86** · 09-02-2002, 04:03 PM

They started making it for the 98 model year ('97 Sept).

***carotman*** · 09-02-2002, 04:03 PM

The Accord Wagon used an H23A engine mated with a AWD tranny.

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 09-02-2002, 04:15 PM

I've never heard of the accord ever getting 4wd. In 98 the crv was the only 4wd product from honda that I'm aware of. For them to have 4wd mechanics for the accord platform in 98 doesn't add up. Maybe I just never read about it. Wasn't the only place the wagon was made in the US? If someone can point me to somewhere that would have info on a 4wd accord I'd love to read about it.

**shepherd79** · 09-02-2002, 04:20 PM

here is the link about 4wd accord but it is in russian you won't understand anyway.
http://www.auto.vl.ru/catalog/viewmo...?id=1997297&f='HONDA'&m='ACCORD'&t='E-CF5'&y=1997
oh yeah, it was available in japan only. or at least that what it looks like.

**night** · 09-02-2002, 05:41 PM

if the SIR has 80mm stroke and the SIR-T has an 88mm then they are not the same displacement

.

and i will bet most anything thats a typo and is 4WS

**YK86** · 09-02-2002, 07:09 PM

It's not a typo. Here's a link: http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/a...20vts_4wd.html
Most of it is in Japanese but you'll recognize the 4WD and the F20B and some of the other numbers listed.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-02-2002, 08:14 PM

Well, I'm kinda thinking outloud and also concidering it, I'm gonna think outloud for a few months about doing this swap, so that I can gain up the money, and knowledge about the right motor, I want a light, but powerful motor, and also be different, nobody that I can think of has done the F20B swap, I dont know if anyone has done the B18 swap yet for our car, but, I'm gonna save up about 5-6grand, and then I'll go about buying the right motor, I'm just going to get all the info that I need right now, so I can find out which is the right motor for me.

That is the sexy beast that I want. (Look as I use the word "Want"). It may not be what I'll buy in the end, but in the end I'll have enough money for the right motor, its up to me and you guys helpin me out on deciding the right motor.

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 09-02-2002, 08:47 PM

Interesting yasu, from the tire size I gather it's not ment for performance so that kinda explains why I never ever read about it. Thanks, how can I read the text? Any site that I can use to translate?

**YK86** · 09-02-2002, 09:14 PM

How about the Altavista one??

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-03-2002, 01:09 AM

A) Complete Engine.
NOTE: Complete Head, block, intake + exhaust manifolds, all sensors, distributor, injectors, alternator, starter, throttlebody, fuel rail, small bolts n' brackets etc., and any other extra parts like AC compressor, intake tube are free. If these extra/free parts are broken in any shape form or fashion, JHP.COM does not replace them.

B) ECU.
C) Transmission w/clutch components (assembled to engine).
D) Axles + Intermediate shaft.
E) Shift linkage.
F) Stock OEM engine mounts.

NOTE: Engine packages DO NOT come with bolt-in kits such as the HASport mount kit.

G) Engine harness.
NOTE: JDM engine harnesses are made for right-hand drive cars. It can not be used in a U.S. car, as far as plug n' play. RHD harnesses are only useful for their plugs and extra wiring.

Since this is a JDM engine, what other then the obvious will I need to get the car running and moving the right way? Will I need a special engine harness that will convert it from a RHD to a LHD? And what else will I need thats not listed in the above?