Accord Carb Problems , Should I fix or can I swap motors?

[Holy^ghost]

I have tried to find information on this. I have a 1.6L 12 valve 84 accord. it even says on the hood that its 1598CC. is this rare? oh another question since my carburetor is dead and i need another will the Weber carburetor model K 727 work with my 1.6L. I got told that this engine is rare. also my car has only 99,970K's on it. yes I'm 100% sure its under 100,000K. engine runs awesome. carburetor is the problem.

well I've been searching for about 2 weeks on the web and in books and found nothing on the 1.6L for a 1984 accord. it must be rare. and all i want to know is if the weber K727 carb would fit on my 1.6

I think its electric being as i have no control of it. anyway about the weber carburetor. if i do buy it and add it to my car how much of horse power gain should I expect. maybe you guys should make a full 2Geez site. ill have some pics of my car soon. and you won't believe what it sounds like.

[MessyHonda]

I think its electric being as i have no control of it. anyway about the weber carburetor. if i do buy it and add it to my car how much of horse power gain should I expect. maybe you guys should make a full 2Geez site. ill have some pics of my car soon. and you won't believe what it sounds like.

the carb would just get rid of the emissions crap...so it will give you some hp. maybe like 6-10hp

headers should help

[Holy^ghost]

I'm in Nanaimo on Vancouver island. and yes less emissions crap. already put a strait pipe in with no muffler so I got rid of that stupid catalytic converter and 6 to 10HP is going to be good cause any power i can push will make me happy.. going 0 to 60 in an hour isn't that fun. but then again i do have a crappy carburetor making it slow.

its all stock and has body parts missing. plus its in stock blue. almost no rust though. pics are coming soon.

ugg ill make a vid to so you can hear its awesomeness. and then ill also show you why i think my carburetor has gone to a better place. Ie hard starting and and major stalling in intersections. now to me that sounds like a carburetor. the exhaust timing was adjusted and i have a new ignition system so it has the be the 450,000-Km carb I got from the junkyard.

its called a digital camera. anyway i found out what my engine is its the A16A1 found it on wiki

here are the specs
A16A1
The A16A1 was a carburated 1.6 liter engine used in the 1982-1985 Honda Accords in North America and in some of the 1986-1989 Accords in the non-USDM market.
Specifications
Carbeurated
Displacement: 1596 cm3
Bore: 80 mm
Stroke: 79.5 mm
Power:
88 hp @ 6000 rpm
91 ft/lb torque @ 3500 rpm

ok so heres the deal.
when i first bought the car about 3 months ago it seemed to run almost fine. but then it stated having hard starting issues and it would stall if i tryed to accelerate after stopping. so i got a whole new ignition system from distributor cap to coil and wires. and that fixed it for a while. but now its back to having to flutter the gas pedal to start and stalling IN INTERSECTIONS. thats the part that makes me want to take a gun to it. so i thought for a bit. and came up that it might be the carburetor that i had to get off another car. when i bought the car for $400 in a Vancouver auction it had no carb. dunno why but it didn't. so i had to go to a junk yard to find another. well after being sick and tired of it stalling i went to a mechanic to see what he could tell me. and sure enough it was the carburetor. he said that i should try to buy a new one. well not having the $420 for the weber K 727 i was wondering if a rebuild kit would be worth it.

well some one check my post in the mechanical section and see if they can help me please.

[denhonda]

We got 1598 12v engine here on the 2.5g DX models. Bought one to replace the 1602cc engine on my 82 a few years ago but never got round to doing it cos of all the differences so it got laid to one side & forgotten about sadly. Did run perfectly.
Glad I didn't persue an engine swap thought as the 82 still runs with its old original!

If its the standard Keihen (spelling?) carb, theres a part of it called the accelerator pump which is operated by whats referred to, in the workshop manual, as a 'metal tang' This is adjusted by bending it (honestly!) so it operates the pump sooner and this can cure the initial hesitation you are experiencing when driving off. My 82 is suffering from the same problem & I'll perform this adjustment to cure it as I've done several times before.
The carbs can also get corrosion in the float chamber that blocks up the jets, means new carb is required. If it is okay in there the jets may just need cleaned out (or replaced) - potentially a job for a specialist.
In any event I'd always recommend stripping the carb just to check it before assuming its scrap & replacing it. Rebuild with new gaskets to be on the safe side.

[Holy^ghost]

I had just bought a new accelerator diaphragm for it and a new carb rebuild. the stupid thing has that dumb 2 barrel carb. only on the A161A. had to go to deal for them and have to wait for it to ship from japan. so thank you for your help.

[2ndGenGuy]

Man you're lucky they even still have them in stock or even make them anymore. Everything for these cars is discontinued.

[Holy^ghost]

Yes i inow that the A16a1 Engine was for europe and japan as well as canada but it was optianal and many people didn't put it in. I don't know why the US market didn't get it

[offthahook]

Man you're lucky they even still have them in stock or even make them anymore. Everything for these cars is discontinued.

I would love to hear the words "You'll have to wait for transit time from Japan." All I ever hear is "That part is discontinued or on national backorder and will be discontinued." Good luck getting it all squared away. I also hear a lot of "We just crushed that car last week; it had some good parts on it, too." Old Honda parts searches are fun!

[2ndGenGuy]

Yes i inow that the A16a1 Engine was for europe and japan as well as canada but it was optianal and many people didn't put it in. I don't know why the US market didn't get it

Emissions.
The 1.6 has no CVCC. It wont pass emissions standards here. CVCC reduces HP a touch, which is why your 1.6 has as much power as my 1.8.

The accelerator pump is a component of the carburetor. So you'll have to find a diagram of the carb with all it's parts. If you've got the factory service manual, there should be one in there. I've got a UK factory service manual for the 84 Accord, but there's no mention of a 1.6 liter engine.

When you get your new carb, you won't have to worry about that. The accelerator pump will be all new and set up.

The thing that makes me curious, and perhaps concerned is that your carb is a 3bbl. I'm scared that you're going to wind up with the US carb and it won't fit. We have 3bbl carbs here, but the third barrel is about 4mm wide. It feeds the auxiliary chamber for the CVCC system in the head. So, I'm really curious as to what you've got, and why it's got the 3rd barrel.

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Also, when you get a chance, would you be willing to post some pictures of your intake manifold where the carb bolts on? And do you think you could take detailed photos of the carb when you get it? I'm just curious about compatibility between US and Canadian cars, and the more documentation we have the more modification and preservation we can do to our cars.

[Holy^ghost]

I know. the guy said that theres like only 5 cars in canada with the A16 in them. so im very lucky. umm can someone tell me were the accelerator pump is located. i can't find it in the car manual. but im guessing its near the carborater

one problem its a rebuild for the carb I have. I said that the after market one is a 3bbl carb. when i get home i will take pics of the intake manafold and un- rebuilt carborator. the problem is that i think the carb is from a 1.8 and not the origanal and if thats true the rebuild for it will be useless. and that could expalin why there is a huge gas leak at the gasket were it leads from the carb to the intake. still i will take pics of it with out the air intake on and you guys can compare what the carb is.
im pretty sure it does you will see your self once i take pics of my engine. with the air intake on and with it off showing the carb. and when i get the rebuild kit i will take the carb out and take pics of it as I take it apart

the one on my car now is a two bbl one choke carb. is that the same as the stock one in your car

hmm so it is different. when i get the damn carb rebuild and accelerator pump diaphragm ill take some pics of the intake manifold and carb.

I need a description of what the accelerator pump looks like and were abouts on the carb it is. because even though my car sounds like a rallied out rice rocket it accelerates from 0 to 60 in an hour.

[2ndGenGuy]

Oh ok, so the new one from Japan isn't a 3bbl? Hopefully not, I do think that the 3bbl carb would leak all over the place just as you described.

No, the stock one for my car is a 3bbl.

Which carb do you mean? The 3bbl? Didn't you order a new carb from Japan? It will be all set up right in the new carb...

If you do mean the 3bbl, I can post a diagram of the carb or what I've got from the factory service manual. But I'll have to do it tomorrow night.

[denhonda]

Do you guys ever see copies of the "haynes Manual' for cars?

Haynes do a wide range of car manuals for loads of cars including 1g - 2.5g Accords. They are well written, pretty accurate & have diagrams & photos in them of every procedure. They detail UK, US & Canadian market models. Look on ebay, heres a 2.5g one... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Haynes-Man...QQcmdZViewItem

Until you know the car you're working on inside out, they are really handy to refer to. It is probably along the same lines as Chiltons manuals but never seen this manual to know its in's & out's.

[Holy^ghost]

dude i have a Haynes for my car. and it doesn't mention the accelerator pump at all in my book. and i mean in the 2 barrel for my A16A. also is there a way i could adjust it to work better. and its not a new carb im getting its a rebuild. and a new accelerator diaphragm for it

[2ndGenGuy]

Factory service manual is the only thing to get. It tells EVERYTHING and its from the source who built the car. And it's year-specific. So it's not do one thing for the 82, another thing for the 83, this part is here on the 84, blah blah. Chiltons kinda had to reverse engineer the cars, if not just copy thier info from the factory service manual.

[Ichiban]

the accelerator pump is located at the bottom of the float bowl, that's the square side of the carb opposite of the primary and secondary barrels. Find the round metal plate on the bottom that's held on by 3 screws, the pump diaphragm is within. You'll know if you have the right spot because directly above, on the top of the carb, is a rubber boot covering a rod with the linkage that moves with the throttle. To check your accelerator pump, with the air filter removed look down inside the primary barrel (might have to hold the choke plate open with your other finger, it just pushes out of the way) and with your other hand, grab the throttle linkage and open and shut the throttle quickly a couple of times. You should see and hear a jet of fuel being pushed into the primary each time the throttle is opened. If it is, it's working fine.

From watching your video, I think your accel pump is probably working. If it's not, the engine will sputter and stall when the throttle is opened. The pump is designed to provide fuel during the momentary drop in manifold vacuum when the throttle is opened (where fuel isn't being sucked out of the main jets) until engine RPM and vacuum increaces, which again draws fuel out of the main jets as it should.

How are your plugs, filters, wires, cap/rotor and timing?

[Holy^ghost]

every ignition part is brand new and works fine the only reason why it is working fine is because i just drove the car at that time and i have the idle at 1,500 so the vacuum stays up. trust me it sputters and lags allot. 0 to 60 in about 5 mins not kidding.

Hey my rebuild kit for my carburetor is in (all the way from japan). all i need to do is pick it up hopefully tomorrow. once I get it ill take pics off it and of the un-built carb. and take pics while I take the thing apart. show off my A16A.

[Ichiban]

once the vacuum is up the engine should accelerate as normal. I drove from BC to New Brunswick (and back) with my accelerator pump circuits completely plugged. Once the car was warm and if you feathered the throttle, it was fine.

John can verify (2ndgenguy) He has that carb now.

[Holy^ghost]

yes but i just got the parts like 3 hours ago so il rebuild the carb and add the new pump diaphram and what not to it in the morning. of course ill post pics

thanks guys for helping me find the accelerator pump. anyway I was pumping it and noticed that it was spewing gas onto my head cover and not into my carb. now could that be the reason for my slow acceleration and stalling.

yeah about that i can't figure out how to get the damn throttle cabe off and its the only thing thats left on the carb. its stoping me from taking it off and into my house so i can rebuild it. can someone tell me how to take it off

after pulling the stupid Carburetor off I will put it on the table and take pics after i rebuild it. it was 34 hoses and a bitch of a throttle cable to get it off

I need some sort of instructions on how to take apart my carburetor. can you give me a website were it tells me how to take apart my keichen (spelling) carburetor for my 1.6L engine

i think ill get my dad to help me on this. it just that there are like a billion o rings and i have no clue were they all go. could you give me a hint as to what or were they go

[A18A]

i learned from experience i dunno how much different your carb is to 3geez carbs, but i just unscrew every screw in place (except the float bowl screw) or something along the lines to take it apart, it's quite simple really.

i dunno about 2gee carbs but i read on this forum that you shouldnt flip the carb either, although i did and it didnt do no harm

i would usually just take it all to pieces (taking pics just incase you forget were parts go etc..) and usually when re-assembling it, just what ever part fits goes there.... but thats just the way i do things, might not be recommended though

[MessyHonda]

after pulling the stupid Carburetor off I will put it on the table and take pics after i rebuild it. it was 34 hoses and a bitch of a throttle cable to get it off

next time you will be able to take if off in 1/2 the time...trust me...my uncle and me can swap out the carb in like a hour and 30 mins.

[Holy^ghost]

HAVE THE MANUAL well the haynes. were do i get the car manual that comes with it

what manual do you guys suggest for it

[carotman]

The OEM shop manual. That's the best thing you can use IMO.

[2ndGenGuy]

I would say if you can't find one on eBay, the Honda dealer can order you the original. It's not cheap, but it's the best you can get. Hmm... though you probably want to be careful on eBay, as they will probably have mostly the US version of the manual, which doesn't have your engine or carb.

[Ichiban]

The carb kit should have come with a diagram of EVERY piece of the carb, as well as idle air adjustments and float heights, as well as a little tool to set the float height with.

[Holy^ghost]

well all it came with was a gay gasket and some o rings i thought it would come with instructions as well but it didn't

because there gay. oh well i got it back together but now my gay car won't start. heck i even primed the float bowl.

ok ive had it with the stock carb bring gay and having to do crap to it. where can i get a weber carb for my 1.6L engine. or will the K727 work. my origanal carb is a keihin 2 barrel. does anyone think the weber will work.?