Accord Carb Problems , Should I fix or can I swap motors?

[2ndGenGuy]

Dude if you can't figure out how to swap a carb, or fix the current one, what makes you think you'll be able to tackle an entire engine swap from a different car? You know that if you try a Weber swap, you'll be looking at at least $300.

First off the adapter plate will run you about $100.
A USED Weber will be about $100.
If you buy a used Weber for $100, a rebuild may be in order. Who knows how that will run.
A jet kit for the Weber will NOT be cheap.
Hours and hours of tuning...

Your only hope at this point is to rebuild the carb you have, IF that is your problem. I'd hate to find out why you think you need to swap to a Weber.

You're not trying to fix your problem, just trying to get around it. Your solutions are getting worse and worse. First it's carb swap, then manifold swap, then engine swap. Since none of those can be done in a day with $20, you might as well go all out and just get another car or something... I mean really dude. It doesn't sound like you wanna actually work on the car.

[seancornelis]

Hahah jesus christ...

How about just looking in a junkyard for a replacement carb? I'm sure you could find one in a yard near you if you looked, but since you probably won't I went on car-part.com and found this place for you, they've got one listed as "good condition" in stock for $35CDN

http://www.caughillauto.com/

Also just FYI, the A20A1 makes a whole 10hp more than you've got....so it's not like all that work is going to make some huge difference. From reading posts on here it seems like the 3g guys with that motor have carb problems fairly regularly too.

[Ichiban]

If you want the easiest 100 hp, swap in the twin carb ET2 from the 2nd gen prelude. You won't have to modify the fuel system, and it will bolt right up to your tranny with the original clutch and motor mounts. Be warned that the twin carbs are a tuning and maintenance nightmare, so given your current situation...well, there you go.

[Holy^ghost]

i would rebuild my carb IF THE FUCKING ACCEL PUMP DIDN'T FALL OFF and they had a rebuilt kit that actually fixed that for it. god you guys don't know how fucking hard it is to find parts for a carb thats company died. and its discontinued. so don't fucking diss me. the only way to fix this is to get a weber or modify one from another car. and or maybe a different manifold from another car. unless you know a way to re cast a fucking accelerator pump handle then be my guest. but until then the only way to get my fucking car to start is to find another carb that will work.

you know what fuck you guys your no help, wtf would you do huh . if there were no rebuild kits out there that fixed the accel pump and bowl because Honda is a cheap piece of shit company that uses no name brand carburetors. and the weber wasn't a direct fit and you had to tune it for 506834-4534 hours trying to get it to start not knowing if it will ever start. or having to find a manifold that will work with a fag ass engine that doesn't exist anywhere in the known world. wtf would you do.

[Ichiban]

Find another carb! How hard can it be!! I bought/stole 6 or 7 for my car and its an 82-83, with the EL 1602 engine that isn't rare, it's unheard of. And I was going to school and drunk all the time. I could go find a carb for your car tomorrow. It's not that hard.

Edit: I read through this thread, and all these people just tried to help you, and you gave them shit and abuse. What the hell was that all about?

[seancornelis]

If I was you I would just try to find a replacement carb in a junkyard. You probably know where a couple of these are in your town, if not you can look in the phone book or online...they're very common. Used carbs (especially for a 25 year old japanese car) are typically dirt cheap....in fact if you read two posts above this you'll see where I referred you to a junkyard I found online in about 5 minutes of searching that has a factory replacement in stock for your car. It's $35 + shipping which MIGHT be twenty bucks. If you check http://car-part.com there's a few others as well. You also might want to check craigslist for anyone parting an Accord with your motor out. Even though it's an uncommon motor, there's NO REASON you shouldn't be able to find more than a few of these with a weeks worth of searching. Just clean it up and slap it on your car and you're good.

If you want to put a Weber on your car then by all means DO IT!!! I don't understand exactly what magic answer you're looking for here, though. Everyone has helped you out and pointed you in the right direction but you have to personally take the steps to make it happen.

Can't find an adapter plate? You can have a machine shop modify one for you, or even MAKE one. It's just a piece of metal, there's nothing fancy to it. If you really want to go as far as swapping an entire intake manifold from an A20A1 (I don't see what the point in this is at all) that might be possible too. You can look at diagrams from shop manuals for a comparison, if you can't find the shop manuals go to a Honda dealership and see if the service department would be nice enough to let you check theirs out. Even BETTER THAN THAT (and probably easier) would be to take yours off, go get an A20A1 manifold from a junkyard and compare them side by side. It's entirely possible and very likely they will match up, but again I don't know why you would even do this when you can just have an adapter made.

It's just boggling my mind exactly what you want from any of us on here that you haven't already been provided with. Everyone was very helpful and took their time with you, but bitching about how crappy your car is and how you can't get it to run isn't going to fix it.

Lastly, you gotta remember there aren't really so many people out there with 1st and 2nd generation Accords, so NO ONE on here is gonna be down on you just for the hell of it. The more folks we can get on here and the more info we can all take from each other the better. If you were to carry on like this on pretty much any other automotive forum (hell even the 3g side of this site) you would have been told to go fuck yourself a long time ago...so just appreciate that you have a pretty devoted, albeit small, community here to help you out.

[2ndGenGuy]

you know what fuck you guys your no help, wtf would you do huh . if there were no rebuild kits out there that fixed the accel pump and bowl because Honda is a cheap piece of shit company that uses no name brand carburetors. and the weber wasn't a direct fit and you had to tune it for 506834-4534 hours trying to get it to start not knowing if it will ever start. or having to find a manifold that will work with a fag ass engine that doesn't exist anywhere in the known world. wtf would you do.

Well lets see. You summed up my engine. The Weber was far from a direct fit from my engine. I told you how to get a fucking adapter plate made so the Weber would bolt right on. Once you get the adapter plate, you're in the exact same boat as I am. I can't get parts for my shit either. The A16 isn't that rare, considering EVERY 2.5g up there came with them. Did you even try finding a parts store that deals Weber parts? Vancouver is a HUGE city, I'm sure there's at least one.

You're obviously not a dumbass, because you rebuilt a Honda carb, so I don't see what the problem is getting an adapter plate made. Can't be any more expensive than buying a pre-made one.

Or like guyhatesmycar said, get another carb and scavenge parts.

[Ichiban]

Lastly, you gotta remember there aren't really so many people out there with 1st and 2nd generation Accords, so NO ONE on here is gonna be down on you just for the hell of it. The more folks we can get on here and the more info we can all take from each other the better. If you were to carry on like this on pretty much any other automotive forum (hell even the 3g side of this site) you would have been told to go fuck yourself a long time ago...so just appreciate that you have a pretty devoted, albeit small, community here to help you out.

Consider yourself lucky.

[A20A1]

If its the standard Keihen (spelling?) carb, theres a part of it called the accelerator pump which is operated by whats referred to, in the workshop manual, as a 'metal tang' This is adjusted by bending it (honestly!) so it operates the pump sooner and this can cure the initial hesitation you are experiencing when driving off. My 82 is suffering from the same problem & I'll perform this adjustment to cure it as I've done several times before.
The carbs can also get corrosion in the float chamber that blocks up the jets, means new carb is required. If it is okay in there the jets may just need cleaned out (or replaced) - potentially a job for a specialist.
In any event I'd always recommend stripping the carb just to check it before assuming its scrap & replacing it. Rebuild with new gaskets to be on the safe side.

"Keihin"
Also that Spring on the arm connected to the metal pusher should be replaced as well, mine was saggy so response to the pump was very slow even with the tab bent.

you know what fuck you guys your no help, wtf would you do huh . if there were no rebuild kits out there that fixed the accel pump and bowl because Honda is a cheap piece of shit company that uses no name brand carburetors...

Keihin is a name brand, just not an American one... but they do sell a lot of Motorcycle and WaterCraft Carburetors.

... and the weber wasn't a direct fit and you had to tune it for 506834-4534 hours trying to get it to start not knowing if it will ever start. or having to find a manifold that will work with a fag ass engine that doesn't exist anywhere in the known world. wtf would you do.

Depends where you buy the weber from... I got a weber on ebay for $70 and an adapet plate for $50. The jets needed changing but the carb still ran.
I would see if you can do a head swap or at the least an intake manifold swap from an A20 or ES or ET engine, whichever matches your ports, then you can grab their intake manifold and use the weber adapter plate for that manifold.