Possible ENgine build idea

[2ndGenGuy]

SOHC is way cooler.

[Kabuki]

Regardless, the answer is NO. The heads from the F and H series engine will NOT bolt up. The cylinder spacing is substantially different. With MASSIVE modification to the block and the head, you COULD use a DOHC VTEC B-Series head. But it would be cheaper, easier, and make more power with less weight to just install a whole B-Series engine.

[MessyHonda]

SOHC is way cooler.

lol...thats wut im saying...if some one can make a a20 run 9s why cant you..lol

[Ichiban]

Yes, but with slight modification you could use a DOHC B-series head.

...A B20A series head, that is...

[DDRaptor]

hmm it is alot of work i saw this other accord same exact car only with 5 speed for $950 which i have seriously haggle down cause it's has double the amount of miles i have now. 160k.

I'll approach him with $500 cash and see what happens.

[MessyHonda]

hmm it is alot of work i saw this other accord same exact car only with 5 speed for $950 which i have seriously haggle down cause it's has double the amount of miles i have now. 160k.
I'll approach him with $500 cash and see what happens.

is it fuel injected?

[DDRaptor]

I hope not.

Me like the carburation sound and power bands. TORQUE RULES!

[Jspec1]

Regardless, the answer is NO. The heads from the F and H series engine will NOT bolt up. The cylinder spacing is substantially different. With MASSIVE modification to the block and the head, you COULD use a DOHC VTEC B-Series head. But it would be cheaper, easier, and make more power with less weight to just install a whole B-Series engine.

Okay I think everyone was under the impression of me wanting to put a SOHC head on a DOHC block.I already know that wont work. But I was wondering about doing some sort of mini-me swap. Basically swapping a SOHC VTEC head ( F22) onto an A20 block, and then using Weber DCOE's and the whole nine yards.. I've seen carbed SOHC VTEC's in Civic's before and I was just wondering it was possible with F22 Head/A20 block?

[MessyHonda]

I hope not.

Me like the carburation sound and power bands. TORQUE RULES!

LOL carbs have no torque compared to my fuel injected car....its nice to have a lil pull in 5th gear....on my carb it just revs up and nothing happens...lol

[DDRaptor]

Real performance cars are still being built with carburators, i.e. Custom hot rods ad etc.

i just like the powerband I like the agressive pull ithas in 2nd gear.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

Theres only a few things that might not work with your plans. You need to know how much the parts you want cost before you set a price. Heres a small list, im estimating on parts, the prices depend on where you get the parts from and the condition.
5-Speed swap - $400-$500 (if you do it yourself)
Pacesetter header- $180(new)
Rebuild Kit- $300(and you have to do the work yourself)
ADJ Cam Gear- $150
Water and oil pumps- $150
Clutch and flywheel- $200
Camshaft- $80
Accel wires-$30
Carbs-$??? (not sure)
And you said nothing about an exhaust other then something about a cherrybomb muffler, and if you still have the stock diameter pipe with cheap muffler you will not gain much power at all, you mught actually loose power due to no backpressure. A pacesetter exhaust is around $190. Your plans of doing all of the things you listed for $950 might not happen.

[shepherd79]

Okay I think everyone was under the impression of me wanting to put a SOHC head on a DOHC block.I already know that wont work. But I was wondering about doing some sort of mini-me swap. Basically swapping a SOHC VTEC head ( F22) onto an A20 block, and then using Weber DCOE's and the whole nine yards.. I've seen carbed SOHC VTEC's in Civic's before and I was just wondering it was possible with F22 Head/A20 block?

The simple answer is NO. It won't work. NO other cylinder head will bolt up to our block. D or F series are totally different engines.

[shepherd79]

Real performance cars are still being built with carburators, i.e. Custom hot rods ad etc.

i just like the powerband I like the agressive pull ithas in 2nd gear.

custom hot rods have V8 engines in them. the only reason people put carbs is because they don't want to mess with computers.
it is a lot easier to adjust carb than stand alone system, but they are getting easier and easier to work with. So it is all about preference. I like EFI. I had carb accord and i had it running on holley 2bbl cab, it was great, but the torque wasn't there. when i got EFI accord, i could feel the diff in low end power. my upper end power was about the same as carbed one with holley.

[DDRaptor]

Yeah I'm really Thinking about getting that car and just doing a B20 Swap and a Turbo Installation, A Serious long term project car. Like for a year or more. around maybe $3k-4K

made another list of parts.

B20A5 Engine - $350 ??
B20 Tranny - ???

High Performance Bearings - $99
Fuel Pressure Reg -$??
Engine Oil Cooler - ??
Transmission Fluid Cooler - ??
2 Camshafts - $139 Each -(too many choices for this)
16 Rocker Arms - $19
8 Intake Valves - $9
8 Exhaust Valves - $9
Adjustable Cam Gears - $??
Clutch - $?:?? (too many damn Choieces)
pistons & rods - $$$ Very expensive.
Crank shaft - $???

Or i found for $979 Engine rebuild kit.
-complete gasket set
-copper performance gasket
-Ross/Wiseco pistons
performance rings/wrist pins
main bearings, rod bearings
thrust washers timing belt.

8 lbs Flywhell - $319
Injetors
Ignition Control system - $179 Accel's 275
pacesetter header - 169 (might do a custom header)
Head Work (maybe)
Accel COil - $70
Custom Intake - Cost of pipes.
K&N Air Filter >$40

High Volume Oil Pump - ????
Piston rings - $22/ Cylinder
Crank Pulley - $185

all these prices are from IPP tell me what you guys think.
THanks.

[MessyHonda]

Yeah I'm really Thinking about getting that car and just doing a B20 Swap and a Turbo Installation, A Serious long term project car. Like for a year or more. around maybe $3k-4K
made another list of parts.
B20A5 Engine - $350 ??
B20 Tranny - ???
High Performance Bearings - $99
Fuel Pressure Reg -$??
Engine Oil Cooler - ??
Transmission Fluid Cooler - ??
2 Camshafts - $139 Each -(too many choices for this)
16 Rocker Arms - $19
8 Intake Valves - $9
8 Exhaust Valves - $9
Adjustable Cam Gears - $??
Clutch - $?:?? (too many damn Choieces)
pistons & rods - $$$ Very expensive.
Crank shaft - $???
Or i found for $979 Engine rebuild kit.
-complete gasket set
-copper performance gasket
-Ross/Wiseco pistons
performance rings/wrist pins
main bearings, rod bearings
thrust washers timing belt.
8 lbs Flywhell - $319
Injetors
Ignition Control system - $179 Accel's 275
pacesetter header - 169 (might do a custom header)
Head Work (maybe)
Accel COil - $70
Custom Intake - Cost of pipes.
K&N Air Filter >$40
High Volume Oil Pump - ????
Piston rings - $22/ Cylinder
Crank Pulley - $185
all these prices are from IPP tell me what you guys think.
THanks.

that is the 3rd gen prelude engine...it wont fit into our cars...you need the JDM 2nd gen lude or the 3rd gen accord...they are in NZ/japan/europe.

[2oodoor]

that is the 3rd gen prelude engine...it wont fit into our cars...you need the JDM 2nd gen lude or the 3rd gen accord...they are in NZ/japan/europe.

Oh contrare, with a MIG welder and some scrapyard parts, any Honda motor w/transmission plus axles and maybe spindles with bearings.....would go in...roughley speaking
But DDRaptor, a B18 is probably the most reasonable choice if you want to swap.

And Shep, 130 hp ,... thats it????ported and polished head and dual carbss, plus exhaust header and some skills only gets 130 hp outta A20.. . I will take your word for it but it is depressing. Here we are debating fuel inj vs carb, and the fuelly puts out 118 or so stock. Makes a bad case for us carb guys.

B18 can be modded to 200 hp without comprismising daily drivability, or your time and $$$ compared to a frankenstiened motor combo.

[MessyHonda]

Oh contrare, with a MIG welder and some scrapyard parts, any Honda motor w/transmission plus axles and maybe spindles with bearings.....would go in...roughley speaking
But DDRaptor, a B18 is probably the most reasonable choice if you want to swap.
And Shep, 130 hp ,... thats it????ported and polished head and dual carbss, plus exhaust header and some skills only gets 130 hp outta A20.. . I will take your word for it but it is depressing. Here we are debating fuel inj vs carb, and the fuelly puts out 118 or so stock. Makes a bad case for us carb guys.
B18 can be modded to 200 hp without comprismising daily drivability, or your time and $$$ compared to a frankenstiened motor combo.

yeah i know roodoo...with money and skills you can fit a small block in our cars. but yeah the prelude engine tilts too much back..like 22 degrees. so the b18 is the better choice to put into our cars. and yeah the b18 also makes 160hp. and you take 15% of that due to drivetrain. that is 136whp....the a20 makes 122hp for the fuel injected model so we get 103.7whp. and yeah roodoo you can make close to 140hp on the a20 with intake, exhuast, cam, headers, ignition and a port and polished head. but even that would only give you like 119whp

[2oodoor]

yeah i know roodoo...with money and skills you can fit a small block in our cars. but yeah the prelude engine tilts too much back..like 22 degrees. so the b18 is the better choice to put into our cars. and yeah the b18 also makes 160hp. and you take 15% of that due to drivetrain. that is 136whp....the a20 makes 122hp for the fuel injected model so we get 103.7whp. and yeah roodoo you can make close to 140hp on the a20 with intake, exhuast, cam, headers, ignition and a port and polished head. but even that would only give you like 119whp

ok key word being whp.. got ya...

[DDRaptor]

Damn so wait which B20 would i be looking for. and why the smaller displacement i was under the impression the b20 is easier to swap in.

laters gotta park a plane.

[DDRaptor]

Is $350 a decent price for the engine cause that's what i costs around here.

[shepherd79]

If you want B20A, you have to call someone outside the US. You are looking for JDM or EDM B20A that came in 86-89 accord or 86-87 prelude. You won't find that kind of engine at the junk yard. Plus it will cost you more than $350 for the engine. about $1500 is a good price for the engine and 5 speed tranny.

[DDRaptor]

so wait which b20 are they selling cause they are an import by shea stadium in queens. ny. All there engines are supposdly JDM i need to call and find out.

So wait the JDM b20 is just B20?? that's not like the US B20A5 etc ...??

i guess i'm just looking for the exact term.

[MessyHonda]

jdm b20a1 from the 2nd gen lude or 3rd gen honda accord...somewhat rare to find. your best bet is to get a integra b18

[2oodoor]

Damn so wait which B20 would i be looking for. and why the smaller displacement i was under the impression the b20 is easier to swap in.
laters gotta park a plane.

DD you really should take some time to read around this huge infinate forum.
B20 are around in junkyards but it is like finding a 50 dollar bill on the floor at walmart. It happens but not very frigggen often. If you can get a JDM B20 it aint gonna be for 350 unless , of course there is ten hundred dollar bills on the floor as you walk in the place.
We are all saying if you want to build a streetable daily driver 3Gen that is actually fast as a stock newer model, you are best off doing the B18 swap. Parts are plenty and easy to get, and less expenisive when you start upgrading the engine with reasonable mods. And the B18 is known to hold up under extreme mods as well. Smaller displacement does not mean less power, as examples the D16Z engines have more HP than A20 series , both in stock form, OK you all, better example... in stock form 4.6 liter Ford engines have more HP than 5.8 Windsors. It is how much torque the engine can put out in a short amount of time before the rpm is out of mechanical capability of the engine question. the 4.6 is DOHC, the B18 is DOHC.
That said , SOHC motors still rock, so do OHV engines.

[DDRaptor]

Point noted. They say it's JDM using the pictures that were posted here i'm gonna swing by the place today and see what it really looks like.

Thanks alot for you patience, and the B18 is defintly on my mind.

as long as all my mods can make it reach north of 200hp and 180ft-lbs of torque.

then after i reach 200 it's time for the super/turbo charger time to put some nissans in there place.