Guess the vehicle in the background..

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I took these today at the US Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio.





The second one doesnt really show the plane but I liked the pic so I posted it. Anyways, guess the plane.

[pric]

pic 1 the plane in the background is a B1-B and pic 2 the camouflage plane is a russian mig or su-27 not sure too far away.smokin:

[Paul Aerodeck86]

camouflage plane is old russian - Mig-21
If you want, i post here photos of new russian planes - it's like HONDA on automobiles :-)) _T_H_E___ B_E_S_T_ =))))

[n88accordLX-i]

the best? dont get me started j/k

[s0crates82]

yeah, my dad was, and is, a major factor in the design of the internal comm system aboard the B-2.

sorry bro, but it is THE most sophisticated military aircraft on the planet.

we can talk about low observability, attack range, and sheer goddamn accuracy of munitions...

the best across the board.

now MiG's... those trump Saab's and Mirage's.... but then again, the definition of air superiority is American Aircraft.

[Paul Aerodeck86]

Are you not remember what happened with Stealth in Yugoslavia?

This is the lastest project, the best jet-fighter
Su-39 "Berkut"

[Bobs89LXi]

[i]This is the lastest project, the best jet-fighter
Su-39 "Berkut"

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Yes Paul, I have heard of it. Talk about a fly by wire system. If it wasn't for the electronic flight control systems, it would be impossible to fly. Aircraft with a "wings forward" design like that is VERY unstable. I would hope they have massive redundancies, otherwise an electrical failure would be catastrophic.

[OldSchoolSwap]

Nice

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Here are a couple of other planes I took pics of that people might recognise.

[carotman]

I always liked the SR-571

[Sabz5150]

Leave it to the Russians to be smart enough to actually start using forward-swept wing fighters. That reverses the center of gravity and center of pressure... makes that plane UNBELIEVABLY maneuverable.

Gets my vote

-5150

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Didn't the Russians copy that plane from us??

[Sabz5150]

That's the X-29. It was probably the first work with forward-swept designs. Bob got it right, the plane has three computers, redundant backups for systems that push the wings down and forward. If the system fails, the wind would pull the wing up and back... ripping it off. Bad Thing (TM)

The trick is to get that thing to go fast. I'd expect a sonic boom would be the start of a bad day.

-5150

[s0crates82]

yes, i remember what happened to the F-117 Stealth Fighter in Yugoslavia.... it uses a different technique for radar evasion, has a fuselage, and was designed several years before the B-2.

...however, the B-2 "Spirit" has had no operational failures and remains the most undetectable thing in the sky. it's quiet, leaves no contrails, has no fuselage, no external weaponry, and no flat surfaces... anywhere.

imagine... trying to target something that has the radar cross-section of a sparrow, flying at classified altitudes?
(500ft, 50,000ft, who knows?)

[Sabz5150]

s0crates -

You forget the one thing that can tear a stealth out of the sky...

LIDAR.

-5150

[A20A1]

the Blackbird still has the fastest air speed... I think the design of the SR is the most beautiful by far.

anyone have pics of the downward curving wing plane??? I know someone knows what I'm referring too... I think it came out about the same time as the sr-71, maybe a competitor?

[s0crates82]

you need to be specific when you say stealth, sabz, because the laser detection system might work on the f-117's angle-plate design, but isn't likely to be as effective on the smooth curves of the light deadening skin of the B-2.

...not to mention the fact, that if an installation were to have a device capable of detecting the B-2, don't you think we'd see it on sat/U-2 recon? that would mean the the stealth bomber would simply open it's bomb bays, lower the rotary missile launchers, and deploy cruise missiles to destroy the detection array before the aircraft was in range of it.

PLUS, considering the sophistication of the B-2 bomber, don't you think they have something a little more advanced than a Valentine One aboard?

[POS carb]

this shit's crazy that you guys know all this shit about planes. :pimp:

Has anyone ever seen that 80's movie called D.A.R.Y.L.? He's a robot kid and he steals an SR-71A

[Sabz5150]

s0crates -

"...relating to the uses and adaptability of a Laser Integrated Detection and Ranging (LIDAR) based platform to defeat stealth aircraft with a greater than 90 percent success rate."

"In our context, we used this system to actively detect a B-2 at an Air-show in Dayton, Ohio. "

LIDAR uses infrared lasers to detect it's target... whether it be a B-2 Stealth of a couple of locusts getting their groove on over the night horizon. No matter how light deadening the Stealth is, it's still visible.

If you can see it, you can hit it.

As for missiles, read up on a little gizmo called THEL.

"The cooperative Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) Demonstrator ACTD was initiated by a memorandum of agreement between the United States and the Government of Israel on 18 July 1996. The THEL is a high- energy laser weapon system that uses proven laser beam generation technologies, proven beam- pointing technologies, and existing sensors and communication networks to provide a new active defense capability in counterair missions. "

I had a video of that thing firing, wish I could still find it.

Welcome to the 21st century...

-5150

[s0crates82]

Sabz-

Did some research on LIDAR:
(LIDAR - LIght Detection And Ranging (Laser Radar = Optical Radar) ) -www.nasa.gov

Found out that a LIDAR system is actually aboard the B-2,
to help detect, and therefore help reduce, contrail emissions...
http://www.ophir.com/pilot_alert_system.htm

Found that the Navy has been spending a couple million in
it's FY budgets to help develop the thing. Seems one of
their biggest problems with it is a lack of projection range.
That brings it's current tactical effectiveness into question.
At airshows, planes are being displayed, that is, they want
the folks at the show to see them, so they fly low and slow.
I'm not terribly sure that the current state of the art is up
to detecting the B-2 if it doesn't want to be found... yet.
Now, when the technology does reach a state where it
is effective against long-range contacts, regardless of
weather and distance, then I think Northrop Grumman
and the US Govt. have something to worry about. Besides,
like I said, the B-2 doesn't fly unless there has been some
major recon beforehand. Who's to say that another type
of attack may be more effective against a
LIDAR-protected installation? When Germany attacked the fortresses of
Belgium in WWII, they first sent grenadier brigades,
THEN the luftwaffe and panzer divisions.

...I'm noticing something though, everything I can find about LIDAR
has something to do with the US Government, be it military, environmental,
or space-exploration. Nothing from foreign contractors, governments,
or other such agencies.

So I gotta wonder, does anybody else have
this stuff? If not it really isn't a threat, now.. is it?

now about the THEL project,

the videos can be found at TRW (the project developer)
www.trw.com

that's some cool stuff, but the argument arises again,
we have it and they don't, so why worry?

[Night Rida]

The SR 71 Blackbird is my favorite aircraft by far!!!
All those other planes can just TRY and keep up and missles????
Them damn missles would run out of fuel before they touched the SR 71 people!!!
To bad the project for the SR 71 was too expensive to keep up and maintain!
Jay
Night Rida:badass:

[s0crates82]

sr-71 was cool, but it cruised at mach 3 at 110,000ft and that's pretty freakin high. if it were at an average altitude, a fighter launched air to air missile could catch up with it, as some travel in excess of mach 4.

cool jet though

[Night Rida]

Well thats good to know! But since it was a spy plane I beleive
it does fly high, so for the missles reachin it at it's altitude(tough luck)
Jay
Night Rida:badass:

[89AccordHatch]

thats not a plane in the background! its a swing set!

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WoW!! I started this thread in May and got a response in November. Is that some sort of record??