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    I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I want my car to ride/handle properly. I want a relatively stiff ride with no lean, sway, no loss of traction going over a bump in a turn, etc. Basically like a new bmw with the sport package. I emailed ground control about some coilovers and they haven't gotten back to me, of course.. My bilsteins are 375/120 and 300/100. My car rides horribly with the sprint springs I have now, those will be going in the garbage as soon as I get a set of coilovers. I am so sick of being knocked out of the seat by every little contour of the road that I've taken to commuting in my truck. I want my car to have that nice dead, controlled feeling that it should have, instead of constantly busy, constantly moving up and down with the tiniest imperfection in the road. You can't control a car if you're hanging onto the steering wheel around a turn because you just got knocked out of your seat by a little bump halfway through.
    Thing is, will I even be able to achieve what I want without having to revalve my shocks again, or can I just go with softer springs (mostly in the back) and be okay? My intuition is telling me that softer springs is the way to go, but I don't really know.

    Also, who has set up a real properly handling 3g on here? I mean someone who has experimented with different springs, shock valving, And swaybars. I highly doubt I would be able to just buy a set of swaybars (st) and have them match the rest of my setup. Especially considering that the addco bars have a totally different bias front to back compared to the ST bars. I want adjustable bars.
    Any educated input on this is welcome..



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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    if you want no lean you have to go to a bigger sway bar system. it sounds like you have a good set up but are the blisteins set up for thoes springs?
    maybe you need stiffer springs but then the ride quality is going down.....i have a daily driver....and my ride is fine.


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    i mean compared to the tired 17 year old 140k suspension this car is like new again. the only thing i dont like is that i dont have high end tires. just regular all season with 60k and they tend not to grip when turning real hard...like last night i tried to do go fast on the freeway exit....like a 90 degree turn around 60mph.....and my front end just slid couple inches...kinda scary and fun tring to learn your limits on the car.......

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by MessyHonda

    i mean compared to the tired 17 year old 140k suspension this car is like new again. the only thing i dont like is that i dont have high end tires. just regular all season with 60k and they tend not to grip when turning real hard...like last night i tried to do go fast on the freeway exit....like a 90 degree turn around 60mph.....and my front end just slid couple inches...kinda scary and fun tring to learn your limits on the car.......

    that must have been fun

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheeseburger
    that must have been fun

    yeah....good thing i took my foot out of it cuz on the next street a freaken cop was at the intersection.....

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by MessyHonda
    yeah....good thing i took my foot out of it cuz on the next street a freaken cop was at the intersection.....

    hahahaha dont u hate it when that happens dam copers

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    some of the ride quality is probably from the fact the car is lowered 2.25".. look for some softer springs with a less drastic drop maybe? I have eibach sportlines and you do feel the bumps in the road a little more than I like but it handles really well

    most of the aftermarket shocks have a similar stiffness to your springs.. except the HR/neuspeeds which are not as stiff and also the eibach sportlines and prokits which have softer springs in the rear
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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    It'll be gc coilovers, but I don't know what rate. I'm not really eager to fuck around with my bilsteins, I already have about $700 in them. The back of the car will be higher, the front will be about the same. I don't know what to do about sway bars yet. I want to talk to someone who has tried different sway bars and actually tested them to the limit of the car. I mean taking the car out in a parking lot, getting it up to speed, cornering, and seeing which end slides first. But that won't necessarily mean shit if their springs are biased differently front to back.
    I should just buy a fucking evo.

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Shitsubishi.
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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I am running GCs and Konis. They were a good combo, but the rear had some bounce and the car squatted too much on a launch. SO, I bought a set of stiffer GCs and have sent the konis out to get revalved, double adjustability, and made externally adjustable. When I get them back which should be sometime in mid April I'll let everyone know how they are.
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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by Accordtheory
    It'll be gc coilovers, but I don't know what rate. I'm not really eager to fuck around with my bilsteins, I already have about $700 in them. The back of the car will be higher, the front will be about the same. I don't know what to do about sway bars yet. I want to talk to someone who has tried different sway bars and actually tested them to the limit of the car. I mean taking the car out in a parking lot, getting it up to speed, cornering, and seeing which end slides first. But that won't necessarily mean shit if their springs are biased differently front to back.
    I should just buy a fucking evo.


    i was in openloops car. he has konis, 2 inch progress drop springs and front and rear aftermarket swaybars.....that car had no roll what so ever. it felt solid...just a lil tooo bumpy for everyday driving. he had drag radial tires on also

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I'm kinda having the same issue as, i don't want to hijack your thread, but i was thinking trying to see if i can find 1" Eibach drop set, with Tokio blues, with new Control arms, from and rear strut bars and new bushings every where.
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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I seriously think it will be impossible to have the same ride/handleling of a new bmw from an almost 20year old honda. They already have the advantage with the rwd not to mention all the technology. Stick with an evo if you can.
    Coming soon, wheels, drop, carbon fiber and if i ever decide, paint.

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by 88LXi68
    I am running GCs and Konis. They were a good combo, but the rear had some bounce and the car squatted too much on a launch. SO, I bought a set of stiffer GCs and have sent the konis out to get revalved, double adjustability, and made externally adjustable. When I get them back which should be sometime in mid April I'll let everyone know how they are.
    What rate are your GCs? Were they the off the shelf rates?
    I didn't like my konis. I could never find the rears either. But if you have double adjustability, that's better than my bilsteins.. How much is this costing you, if you don't my me asking?

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by frantik
    some of the ride quality is probably from the fact the car is lowered 2.25".. look for some softer springs with a less drastic drop maybe? I have eibach sportlines and you do feel the bumps in the road a little more than I like but it handles really well

    most of the aftermarket shocks have a similar stiffness to your springs.. except the HR/neuspeeds which are not as stiff and also the eibach sportlines and prokits which have softer springs in the rear
    I wish I still had my cut stock springs. They rode unimaginably better than the sprints, and the car sat level too. I just didn't have enough damping, (especially compression in the front) but I know I would now with the bilsteins..
    I guess I'll call ground control.

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    have you looked into skunk2 coilovers for a 94 integra? wickedaccord is running them along with bilsteins i belive. and i think im going to throw the cash down to try it too

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Quote Originally Posted by Accordtheory
    What rate are your GCs? Were they the off the shelf rates?
    I didn't like my konis. I could never find the rears either. But if you have double adjustability, that's better than my bilsteins.. How much is this costing you, if you don't my me asking?
    I was using the off the shelf rates which were 350lbs front 7" springs and 250lbs rear 8" springs. I purchased 450lb 7" springs and I will be putting these in the rear or switch w/ the front springs if I am unsatisfied. So I can have 350f and 450r or 450f and 350r.

    the konis are costing an arm and a leg...
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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    Ground controls are going to be stiffer than sprint springs, though being higher up might help. Even so, coilovers don't provide the best ride quality.

    You probably want to do the rwd conversion if you want good handling :P

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I had Jamex springs and monroe shocks on my lude and that was pretty sweet the rear shocks though were not quite upto controllling the rear springs but handle corners sweet. I have a new BMW Msport and trust me they are worse than what you have the SE's are better as the damping and springs are much softer!! Also teh runflats are the final nail in the coffin!!!! The lude and Accord can be made to feel and handle just like a modern Honda or Hot Hatch just takes a reight combination of parts and obviously maybe some new bushes and other mods to help!! My guess is go with Jamex or H+R which are both well known products try them first with your shocks still no good try the tokico blues or try and get some KYB adjustables from Japan, alternative maybe look at Hot bits where there dampers are adjustable so you could make them softer or harder depending on the rated springs you have on at the time or just go with the pre fixed setup they do with coilovers built in.

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    so what does one have todo to get the most incrediable handling?

    what does 600 bucks get you?

    1200

    1500

    and i am sure no one will but what will
    3000 get you

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    ummmm


    rwd conv?.......... is it possible?


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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    no it would be to much work and then it still would nt be an accord any more
    and you would have to bang shit out for the drive shaft and blah blah blah.
    not worth it you might as well but the engine in the back

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    might as well get a s2000

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    if i was an oscar myer weiner
    some thing somethign something (help me out here messy)
    but he is right dude

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    im on

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    and it rids really nice smooth yet stiff

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    Re: I want to build a Real suspension..new bmw like handling/ride

    I have some doubts, to put it mildly, about that thread that lists the spring rates here on 3geez. Anyway, it's irrelevant for now, because what matters is what ground control says about spring rates with their coilovers. Thing is, I'm not calling them until I have the money set aside for that, and I just had to pay my car insurance, etc, etc.. there went went my play money. Fuck.
    I'm also trying to save up for the gsr head though, too.
    whoever brought up a rwd conversion, wtf....???

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