Built Motor Set-up?

[blackcougar141]

Hey guys, and girls....got a question....I Bought a Delta 282 cam from John at Delta with their 230 Duration @ 50 thousandths w/ 275 cam rise. I Gave this info to JE Pistons (Nick) so I could raise the compression to 10.0 to 1 or 11.0 to 1 to raise the HP and torque for a all motor setup. JE said the pistons are like 134.00 a piece with rings and locks. So I ask you all, anyone ever ran a setup like this for performance? It's gonna be a daily driver, and both companies said this setup would work great with my carbed motor. I figured I would stay carbed because I wanna be different, so drop me your suggestions everyone, and hopefully your input will help me out....thanks everyone!!!

[Legend_master]

Hey guys, and girls....got a question....I Bought a Delta 282 cam from John at Delta with their 230 Duration @ 50 thousandths w/ 275 cam rise. I Gave this info to JE Pistons (Nick) so I could raise the compression to 10.0 to 1 or 11.0 to 1 to raise the HP and torque for a all motor setup. JE said the pistons are like 134.00 a piece with rings and locks. So I ask you all, anyone ever ran a setup like this for performance? It's gonna be a daily driver, and both companies said this setup would work great with my carbed motor. I figured I would stay carbed because I wanna be different, so drop me your suggestions everyone, and hopefully your input will help me out....thanks everyone!!!

I havent seen anybody running this exact setup, but I would suggest porting the head to allow for a little more airflow. The motor should make a good bit of power.

[blackcougar141]

I would hope it would make a good bit of power. I have the head getting ready to go to BPM performance Machine here in Elizabethtown, Ky, but I know i'm going to need to get a header. But I want a good one, and i'm having trouble finding a DC sports one. The guy at the machine shop said just use the Pacesetter one, but I dunno. I'm doing this on a really tight budget, so everything must count. Anyway....I think i'm gonna check if I can find one on ebay cheap.

[AccordEpicenter]

header is a must but you sould probably get the head ported to maximize your gains. Are you gonna run a dual weber DCOE setup?

[MessyHonda]

say good bye to regular gas....you would need to start to run premium

[ghettogeddy]

134 a piece isent bad but i found 10 to 1 pistons for like 460

[blackcougar141]

I kinda knew I would have to run prem. gas, but as far as the carb, I was gonna keep it stock. I don't know if I would or should run the dual webber setup so that's why I asked if anyone had any info on my setup. The guys at BPM performance machine said my stock carb would be fine, and I will get them to p&p the head to the intake. I will run a header, but i'm still looking for one. Anyway, do you all think I should run dual webber's, and if so, where can I get the setup and stuff since this is gonna be a daily driver/sleeper?

[ghettogeddy]

I kinda knew I would have to run prem. gas, but as far as the carb, I was gonna keep it stock. I don't know if I would or should run the dual webber setup so that's why I asked if anyone had any info on my setup. The guys at BPM performance machine said my stock carb would be fine, and I will get them to p&p the head to the intake. I will run a header, but i'm still looking for one. Anyway, do you all think I should run dual webber's, and if so, where can I get the setup and stuff since this is gonna be a daily driver/sleeper?

u could run a single weber and still be better then stock

[MessyHonda]

yeah you might need an aftermarket carb....cuz trying to tune a stock carb on that would suck...unless you do like mechanical secondaries, and vac removal.

[blackcougar141]

I will probably stick with the stock carb setup to save all the headaches, but all suggestions are taken under advisement. Honestly, I will build it but I already got all new parts from Majestic Honda for my carb and the lines, and to me it seems it would be less of a headache to switch to another carb. If I was to swithc to another carb, wouldn't I need a custom mount for my intake manifold, and a new vacume line setup because it would be all different from the stock setup? Plus what other carb would just basically bolt up with very little or no hassels at all? This has to be a daily driver, so I can't have carb problems and have it leave me on the side of the road because I switched to something totally new. Unless......someone out there knows how to do this setup or a cool carb setup in or around Kentucky who could help.......?

[DDRaptor]

i like you luckily you have what i dont. resourses to build pistons everyone in the city has new vehicles no attention is paid to 3geezs.

exhaust get one but make sure you have a resonator so you still the sleeper persona,

[blackcougar141]

yeah, definately a exhaust without a resonator. A buddie of mine has a 86 with dual rear exhaust with no resonator. His is 5 speed like mine, and the mufflers he has on his is the red carbon wrapped mufflers from ebay. They have a deep sound unlike others that sound like a pissed off bee in a tin can. So, I know that i'm gonna hear it from this but i'm gonna go with the same setup and use the Blitz universal mufflers with the red carbon fiber wraps because they are stainless in and out and, they have a straight through design and sound good. It should sound real good with the header and no resonator.

[AccordEpicenter]

i would go at least 11:1 to make some real power. 10:1 is only a modest improvement from stock

[Vanilla Sky]

You WILL need more fuel than the stock carb can provide. A Weber DGEV can be ordered with a mounting plate for our stock intake manifold. It's needed, and is worth every cent. No more vacuum headaches, no more Keihin carb problems AT ALL.

I'm going to go DCOE, most likely before I get a rebuilt motor into my car.

It seems like this year is becoming the year of the a20a rebuild.

[guaynabo89]

i would go at least 11:1 to make some real power. 10:1 is only a modest improvement from stock

agreed!

On a budget I would have the rods and crank shotpeened micropolished and balanced with 11 to 1 pistons. thats probably like a grand worth of parts and work.

the head a good p&p, the cam you have should be a good all around cam.

exhaust youll definately need a header and good mandrel bent exhaust.

the stock carb is gona bee your downfall on that project until you can get a weber kit or the like. oh and I'll be selling my dc's within the next month or so

[blackcougar141]

Building this motor is definately been a real eye-opener. I have been on a budget for so long, it's like I think it'll never get finished, but screw it....it's only money right? Anyway, i've been looking for a setup on the net and checking the posts on here, and trying to figure the whole carb swap dc setup and the khein carb setup as well as weber setups. From what I can see the khein setup sucks and a lot of people can't stand it, but the weber and dc setup are looking like the best. But anyway, i'll keep checking, and hopefully i'll be able to buy a dc setup and getting it to be reliable, but all help in the swap and tunning would be a big help!!

[blackcougar141]

I forgot to ask a few things earlier guys.....If I go with a dcoe setup, what about all the sensors on the stock air cleaner, and vacumm lines? Plug them....remove them...??? As far as the manifold, why not use the prelude one and a set of carbs off of a older 240 or 300Z? Any suggestions?

[cygnus x-1]

Sensors? Vacuum lines? That stuff all goes away. Have a look at these:

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/Eng...eber_38-38.jpg
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/Eng...ineBayNew1.jpg
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/Eng...takePlenum.jpg
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/Eng...numAdapter.jpg

This is a Prelude A18 block bored out to A20 specs with an intake from a carburetted A20 Accord engine. The carb is a Weber 38/38 and fits on with an adapter from Weber. I did modify the intake some to get better flow but you wouldn't have to do that. Overall I really like this setup but I'll most likely be switching to fuel injection very soon. I'm too much of a tinkerer and it just doesn't have quite the tuning flexibility I want. Weber DCOEs are awesome as far as tuneability goes but they are expensive, and a FI conversion will be cheaper and even more tuneable in the end.

The carbed Prelude intakes will not fit on an A20 head. The intake ports are totally different. The only option for side draft carbs on an A20 is to get a manifold custom made.

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[rjudgey]

Bike carbs are an option too, Webers are way more tuneable than a standard type FI setup only if you start shooting really high with ITB's would you get better results than Weber DCOE's but even then it's not a great margin of improvement mainly int he fuel consumption and low end power, but bike carbs are like carb ITB's with all these old weber problems ironed out except the using lots of fuel bit that unfortunately is allways going to be an issue with a well tuned engine!!

[blackcougar141]

A buddie of mine told me that a 1978 and up CJ-7 jeeps with the 6 cylinder motor had a weber 38/38 carb. He told me that I would only have to get the adapter plate for the intake but it would bolt up after that. He also said that the egr setup would be taken off, as well as the sensors off the stock air cleaner setup. Basically the engine bay would be cleaned up and I would have a lot more space. But I dunno. He's said he's going to the j.y. tomorrow and seeing if he can find me 1 if not 2 to tinker with, but he also said I would have to change it over to a automatic choke instead of a manual choke. I dunno....this all sounds like I need to just change over to fuel injection.....

[cygnus x-1]

I left the EGR valve on mine but it's not connected; just plugs the hole. My carb has a hot water choke so it's plumbed into the coolant lines. The Jeep probably has a manual choke but it would be easy to convert. Or just leave it manual and run the cable inside. I might actually prefer that.

And as far as FI, I'll be using Megasquirt so it will be infinitely tuneable. I already have a B18 intake and injectors. And I'll have a secondary fuel pump in the engine bay plus a surge tank so I won't need to mess with the stock fuel tank and lines.

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[blackcougar141]

That's cool. I got a big decision.....but I will stay carbed. I'll just have to cruise ebay to look for one, or wait till later on today when my buddie gets back from the j.y. today. Either way, I know this thing is gonna be a project and have it's fair share of headaches. Hopefully i'll find some one on here from Kentucky or Tennessee to give me a hand....

[AccordEpicenter]

staying carbed is ok but you really should go to at least a weber carb and 11-1 compression

[bobafett]

I didn't read through the whole thread but here is my input:

- 11:1 is a good choice
- DONT stick with the stock carb (I am not a carb guy, so take this as you may)
- DO get a quad carb itb setup going (They are badass - zufer has done this on his car and it is excellent)
- Maybe check out diamond racing for pistons, the price will be similar but you might like their options better, for me it was like 550 for pistons and rings and locks, and that was with quite a few mods to the pistons.
- If you don't get good (light?) rods and a nice light flywheel, and balance it all from crank pulley to clutch, you will be kicking yourself forever, so just suck it up and DO IT!
- make sure you get good bearings, no cheap shit!

- this sounds like a pretty good build idea overall, lets see it happen!

[AccordEpicenter]

I didn't read through the whole thread but here is my input:

- 11:1 is a good choice
- DONT stick with the stock carb (I am not a carb guy, so take this as you may)
- DO get a quad carb itb setup going (They are badass - zufer has done this on his car and it is excellent)
- Maybe check out diamond racing for pistons, the price will be similar but you might like their options better, for me it was like 550 for pistons and rings and locks, and that was with quite a few mods to the pistons.
- If you don't get good (light?) rods and a nice light flywheel, and balance it all from crank pulley to clutch, you will be kicking yourself forever, so just suck it up and DO IT!
- make sure you get good bearings, no cheap shit!

- this sounds like a pretty good build idea overall, lets see it happen!

My thinking 100%