Feeler for AZ Race A20 Billet Engine Mounts

[LX-incredible]

No way I'm backing out on this one. I will most likely be down for a second set once we get some details...

I was looking at the accord front and rear mounts and the bolt pattern is quite different... That's 2 mounts that couldn't be used on the prelude DX. I would assume they could make an extra rear billet instead of the front for these guys... How many are there anyway?

[LX-incredible]

nvm

[labeledsk8r]

ok i just got done looking over the 87 DX prelude and snaped some pics of the side mount... dont know how usefull they are i was going to unbolt it and take it out but it snowed last night and its a pain to jack the car up on ice, if these pics are usefull let me know and i will email them to you, also fro mwhat i could tell the front mount on the DX lude looks the same as the front mount on the accord same as the dog bone mount looked the same... had way to many lines and wires to get to take a pic of it today though,





again if these are usefull i will email you the high res pics since photo bucket scales them down

[1funryd]

is there any type of mount on the tranny side?

[labeledsk8r]

is there any type of mount on the tranny side?

like a side mount on the trans side? no just the front mount, driver side mount (pictured) dog bone uper rear, and im guessing a rear trans mount (but could not get the lude jacked up to check that) everytihng looks the same as the accord to me except that side mount... but cant be 100% untill there lined up next to each other....

[thegreatdane]

There might be length differences on the dog bone mount between the different models.

Here is a picture of the 3g accord mounts, these are similar with 85-87 prelude A20A/B20A mounts (also note the small rubber damper placed on the center beam underneath the clutch housing):





............................................... Carbed 83-87 prelude mounts:

[cygnus x-1]

No tranny mount on any of these. Front, rear, upper rear, and drivers side.

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[1funryd]

Ok this helps a lot, to be able to compare both types of cars.

Thanks guys.

Sean

[1funryd]

Ok, I want to let everyone know that thank to the diagrams that was posted, they are able to have better comparison to the mounts, and are discussing the options now.

Thank guys, I was told by Adam at AZ Race that him the powers that be are looking hard into this, and they will let me know what they are going to do, and the status of this project, so stand by and I will keep you all updated.

Project Manager,
Sean


Updated list:

List Updated as of 2-6-2008 @ 11:37am
1. rustlude87
2. JDM86lude
3. kyryeguy
4. EricW - 3Geez member
5. LX-incredible - 3Geez
6. RobT5580 - 3Geez
7. MessyHonda
8. TOLOUDNPROUD - 3Geez
9. thegreatdane - 3Geez
10. Smeado
11. twhonza - 3Geez
12. Chrislude1982
13. knifemind
?????? Minimum to be determine by AZ Race.(to be updated later..)

[RobT5580]

I not sure if you caught my comment regaurding the rear mount. But if they make an adaptor they can cover the A20/b20 in the same shot since they use the same mount just different brackets. My idea is a upside down U-bracket with a stud similar to the stock mount but to wrap the new AZ mount.

That should be a relatively simple job and the side mount and dog bone should'nt be to bad. I think the front mount will be the hardest.

[1funryd]

I am sorry to say that AZ Race has decided that the cost would be too much for both groups to handle, and that this project will not move forward.

I am sorry guys, I thought there was more numbers with both groups combined, and AZ RACE was watching and reading all threads, on both sites. PP.com and 3Geez.com.

Due to many obstacles to make a kit work and the low numbers, and price was not attainable for the $350.00 mark. It was going to cost more. So much more that is would not be feasable for AZ or the communities.

I did try. I will continue to see if I can get someone else to do this for you.

Sean

[labeledsk8r]

this has only been going for less then a month?? one thing about these cars are the owners normaly need time to get funds ready... what would be the needed amount to make a run of these mounts for JUST 3gee accord? really i dont think a month is feesable time to get it done... the last golden eagle adjs cam groupe buy took almost 8 months

[forrest89sei]

this has only been going for less then a month?? one thing about these cars are the owners normaly need time to get funds ready... what would be the needed amount to make a run of these mounts for JUST 3gee accord? really i dont think a month is feesable time to get it done... the last golden eagle adjs cam groupe buy took almost 8 months

Also what about getting in contact with new8st? maybe he can help if theres more of a minimum then members can do at the moment?

[labeledsk8r]

Also what about getting in contact with new8st? maybe he can help if theres more of a minimum then members can do at the moment?

i think he is still recovering from the cam gear groupe buy... if i get my job asap when i get to floirda... i might have 2 grand left over to help on this... as long as i dont loose any money... but thats still a month or so in the future

[RobT5580]

Thats pretty disappointing seeing that this group buy seemed to pick up really fast in terms of this forum. I will see if i can get my friend thats a machinist to work on something but it will be time consuming.

What kinda of numbers are AZ looking for? Because im willing to sit on this and see if more will commit. I would preffer to have AZ to do them since they have experience in mouns.

[1funryd]

Thats pretty disappointing seeing that this group buy seemed to pick up really fast in terms of this forum. I will see if i can get my friend thats a machinist to work on something but it will be time consuming.

What kinda of numbers are AZ looking for? Because im willing to sit on this and see if more will commit. I would preffer to have AZ to do them since they have experience in mouns.

I even countered AZ and asked them if they would reconsider if we had more numbers, but for now the numbers just do not justify the R&D.

They are a business to make money as well as cater to a small or big community. They were not seeing this group pick up in numbers, they need to keep producing, or at least produce enough of the prodcut to cover costs and expenses. But thats not the case here, for now.

I was able to muster up more support in the 3rd gen section because the number of members were there, but even with that, most of them bailed last minute on two of the AZ Race group buys, and it was a struggle to get the last project done with such a miserable number.

I will keep trying to find someone. But we might have to go with steel welded mounts.

Sean

[labeledsk8r]

i dont get why this has to be done RIGHT NOW... i mean this has only been posted for less then a moth... more interest will come in time.. and when enough members are interested THEN push towards getting them R&D'd.... gettig interest on this site for months at a time doesnt slow them down.. becuse there not doing any work... i kinda want to know numbers becuse in a few months i "might" have a few grand to buy up 4-6 sets and then i can sell them off (for the same price i paied) it would get it moveing forward.... just saying i dont get why theres a time limit on finding interest... there not looseing any money right now... not untill the R&D is comited wich is still a long ways away even IF they were to do it right now

[1funryd]

i dont get why this has to be done RIGHT NOW... i mean this has only been posted for less then a moth... more interest will come in time.. and when enough members are interested THEN push towards getting them R&D'd.... gettig interest on this site for months at a time doesnt slow them down.. becuse there not doing any work... i kinda want to know numbers becuse in a few months i "might" have a few grand to buy up 4-6 sets and then i can sell them off (for the same price i paied) it would get it moveing forward.... just saying i dont get why theres a time limit on finding interest... there not looseing any money right now... not untill the R&D is comited wich is still a long ways away even IF they were to do it right now

I hear what your saying bro, I asked them what numbers they would work with to get it moving. But they did say for now, its not in the cards.
So its not a no forever, just for now.

I would be more than happy to build more support for this, This thread can stay open, and I will monitor it. I will do the same for the 2nd genners as well. Because there is power in numbers.

Sean

[MessyHonda]

bummer....sorry to get everyones hopes up on here.

[RobT5580]

Well i appreciate all your time and effort put forth in this project and all your projects on prelude power. I know its hard to deal with all the ups and downs of organizing a group buy.

I will try to see if i can track down my because i know he can help me but it probably wont be cheap. But he did amazing work on the custom big brake brackets so i will see if hes up for a new challenge.

Im not gonna jump the gun but if i decide to do a sort of group buy i will require partial payment up front to cover my ass. I don't know how this will pan out but i will see how he feels about the project and see how expensive it will be for him to make a setup for me.

[mykwikcoupe]

Im more interested in finding mounts they make and adapting them to fit the stock mount locations. Honda has proved lazy in the past using same basic designs. Its just a factor of finding the ones that would work. Im hoping welding like an integra bushing mount to our stock brackets would work?

[RobT5580]

I dont know where everyone else stands but i would pay $500 or so for a set of mounts. Im in the process of getting a prototype set made by a friend but i don't know if he will do it and what it will cost for the first set. But i guess time will tell its not on my priority list since im in the process of re-building my turbo B20A but i will see what its going to take to get it started.

For those of you still in need of mounts i would post what you are willing to pay for mounts and who is a definate for buying. Perhaps AZ would reconsider? I did go back to the thread and felt that including the 2nd gen may have been the problem due to the complexity of the side mount.

But with that said i would like to see what people would be in and what they would pay. Worst case i might pick up the task if cost effective but i might cost more since i will have to sub out the machining and the actual rubber in the mount!

[LX-incredible]

I would pay $500. They would have to be pretty damn solid for that much... No adaptor BS.

[labeledsk8r]

well i can say down the road ima be going turbo.... and im going to need some type of mount... getting them machined myself means ima be paying a high amount aswell... only problem is that its not the highest part on my list right now

[RobT5580]

I have a mental picture of how to go around the new mounts and it would require an adaptor bracket but it definately would be a nice solid part. Im trying to track down the guy i know to get his impression.

And its not my priority but this group buy came about so i made funds available.