Feeler for AZ Race A20 Billet Engine Mounts

[labeledsk8r]

And its not my priority but this group buy came about so i made funds available.

im not sure if that was directed at me.... but im a 19 year old kid thats paying for a move accross the country.... i think getting my new apartment setup and a job in the new city is a little more inportent then engine mounts right now for me.............. i will help as much as i can though, i will be needing these no matter what down the road... im just not going ot comit becuse then theres a chance the funds will have to go to something else... all i was saying is im interested if the come up for sale down the road at around that 500 mark just cant commit ATM

[RobT5580]

Sorry it wasn't meant to be taken badly i meant to just state that im not ready for the mounts but i will put the money up now if need be. I am working on having a new turbo manifold made, a JDM parts order, and i need pistons for my B20A before i can get it to the machine shop.

[thegreatdane]

I love having no aftermarket support! Seems to be the curse of these cars.

Thanks for trying to get it going though Sean! My opinion is also that the carbed lude mount problem was complicating this mount kit too much.

[RobT5580]

I agree and think doing the accord mounts would be fairly easy. I should have something in the works by summer if i can track down a friend from high school. I was working on my accord today and i made up some erethane filled mounts and they are much stiffer but i see the front liquid filled mount and dog bone posing a problem. At worst i would find inserts for the dogbone and work out something on the front mount and i think it would fix a lot of the play im having. But i will work on billet mounts if cost effective!

[labeledsk8r]

Sorry it wasn't meant to be taken badly i meant to just state that im not ready for the mounts but i will put the money up now if need be. I am working on having a new turbo manifold made, a JDM parts order, and i need pistons for my B20A before i can get it to the machine shop.

its allright... just angers me that right when all of my money is tied up on life something like this comes along.... i know im need mounts at some point... if your not able to track down your buddy from school after a bit then mayby i can talk to a few guys in florida... i know a shop that custom makes mounts for 3,000GT's and like that... if we could get a rough mount build from steal and send them in to be copyed in billet then it might be the cheepest as were not paying the company to R&D just copy... they also do urthane so replacement bushings could be done aswell... so if something doesnt pull threw in a while id be happy to try that route... just angers me im stuck doing all this move crap

[RobT5580]

Yeah its hard having a car for a hobby my car has been in the works for a long time.

As for the R&D its more or less writing a CNC program. For our mounts im confident that it wouldn't require a crazy amount of R&D since your in a way copying the honda mounts. I should be able to find him i wish it was a few years ago when he was single because he made stuff on the side for me in the past. Now he co-owns the shop so im sure he will charge more.

[Vanilla Sky]

I have several cars we can use for templating and fitting.

[Soopitup]

Very interesting...I will also be looking at custom fabbin some of my own here in the next few months...

[RobT5580]

I don't really see fitment being an issue since they would build new mounts off of measurements off of the originals. I noticed they had a slight issue with the 3rd gen prelude tranny mount but we really have a pretty open bay.

[mykwikcoupe]

you know me rob, if its good enough for you make me a set also. Id still like to see a modified mount made so we can buy an off the shelf bushing and slap it in there when we wear them out slamming gears.

[EX-ileAccord]

n/m

[RobT5580]

I just recieved my mount new inserts so i should have some mount designs in the works sometime this summer. I already have a pretty good grasp on what i plan to have made so i don't think it will be to bad. But the inserts were pretty pricy so i do forsee the final product to be out of the price range of many.

But i will give more information as i go and see if i plan to have any production on them.

[EricW]

I just received my mount new inserts so i should have some mount designs in the works sometime this summer. I already have a pretty good grasp on what i plan to have made so i don't think it will be to bad. But the inserts were pretty pricey so i do for see the final product to be out of the price range of many.

But i will give more information as i go and see if i plan to have any production on them.

If you get a set of these designed and produced, I will buy a set. I always keep some extra cash saved in case any thing good comes up and mounts would definitely be something worth buying.

[MessyHonda]

yeah im still down....my mounts are starting to look like 153k mounts...anything better would do good

[1funryd]

Ok gentlemen, I have spoken to a www.explicitspeedperformance.net and they are willing to take on this project.

However; there will need to be a serious interest in this project, and we are looking at around $550.00 + shipping and paypal fees.

Please understand that we are trying to make this a universal as possible and its going to take some compromise on both sides.

I need to know how many are going to stay on the project and not bail. We have a very fragile issue with this project and I need solid committed buyers.

They are willing so I need both communities to help me.

Project Manager,
Sean

[mykwikcoupe]

Im still in. let me know when you need funds and theyll be there. I didnt know you lived in WA you should hook up with zackiedarko

[1funryd]

Im still in. let me know when you need funds and theyll be there. I didnt know you lived in WA you should hook up with zackiedarko

I am going to need a local member here in WA to help with the R&D.

And I am glad to here that you are still in, this will help to keep this project alive and moving forward.

Sean


Edit: Unfortunately these mounts will be steel, because Billet in these mounts was going to be in the $900 range due to the low numbers and the complexity of both chassis having some differences.

[2drSE-i]

im a bit tight ATM so i wont be able to afford a set of mounts right now, unfortunately.

I would, on the other hand, be very interested in a 3 point front strut bar and a couple of 2 point rears, if they would be willing to R&D some of those for us. Would you be willing to ask them about that? They offer them for other cars at 99 Per rear and 170 for the front. I would be interested if they could do like 450 a set.


Edit: ok Its 119 for upper and 99 for lower on the rear strut bars, 189 for the front

Total: 407

I understand they are trying to run a business so these probly wouldn't be worth producing at the same rate as the other popular cars...Probably around 500 for the whole set lol.

[1funryd]

im a bit tight ATM so i wont be able to afford a set of mounts right now, unfortunately.

I would, on the other hand, be very interested in a 3 point front strut bar and a couple of 2 point rears, if they would be willing to R&D some of those for us. Would you be willing to ask them about that? They offer them for other cars at 99 Per rear and 170 for the front. I would be interested if they could do like 450 a set.


Edit: ok Its 119 for upper and 99 for lower on the rear strut bars, 189 for the front

Total: 407

I understand they are trying to run a business so these probly wouldn't be worth producing at the same rate as the other popular cars...Probably around 500 for the whole set lol.

One thing at a time, I am trying to solve an issue for you guys with regards to mounts. Once we can figure this out, then I can move on to other things.
I dont mean to sound abrupt, but this same thing happens everytime anyone brings up a project. Someone else always wants their way to happen since they are not in the market for the item that is trying to get produced.

Lets figure out this project first, and if there is enough serious demand for your suggestion, then we can move on that.

Sean

[2drSE-i]

haha sounds fair enough. For me to get what i want anyway it will cost about the same, and i need some mounts. If i come into some money i will totally join in.

[EricW]

I'm still in and have the money when ever its needed.

[lostforawhile]

the dogbone mount is there to limit the back and forth rocking of the motor yes? I think what the greatdane is saying (for those of you who had a little trouble figuring it out, like myself) is that if the other mounts are going to do this anyway, we dont really need the dogbone.

the dog bone is important because it keeps the motor mounts from flexing too much and metal fatigue from breaking them. the dog bone is easy, just needs better inserts and possibly some reinforcements to the factory metal part. on the large bushing on mine,i replaced it with an aluminum insert with a steel insert where the bolt goes,and a poly bushing on the small end. it really helps keep the motor from rocking. remember what works on front wheel drive cars is different from what works on rear wheel drive cars, in a rear wheel drive all the torque is at the back after the diff. in front wheel drive the diff is built into the tranny so all the torque the engine produces has been multiplied by the diff and is being exerted in line with the front drive wheels. this is a lot more torque then the unmultiplied output of the engine. when this happens it wants to twist the engine right off of the front mount. the dogbone is there to prevent this from happening. ugly or not it takes a lot of force off of that front mount.

[RobT5580]

Im kinda on the fence on this one. I would pay $550 for the billet but i think its a bit much for welded steel ones granted this is a custom made part.

I took up my own project and got the poly inserts and started working on some rough designs.

[1funryd]

Im kinda on the fence on this one. I would pay $550 for the billet but i think its a bit much for welded steel ones granted this is a custom made part.

I took up my own project and got the poly inserts and started working on some rough designs.

Ok, would you like me to drop this completely then? Because with every member you guys drop hurts the group big time.

I know many of you think that its easy to do this, but it is not, especially when a company is going to put their name and reputation on it. Some of you have the skills to do this on your own, but now the resources to take on such a big project. I admire you for that, but when trying to secure an aftermarket item, we need numbers.

And when numbers start to fall then the projects either hold up or just dont get finished. I know that you were all looking forward to Billet mounts, but its just not financially feasable for you guys to offered it.

When I gave price of $350 + on the Billet, AZ did the math and to do your project was going to cost you guys way to much for all the member to bare. It was not going to be a $350 part, it would have been at least $900 for your kits, at least.

Let me break it down to you like this, it costs $80 per/hour for manhours for custom work on anything(average, and AZ Race's fee) so if you add that to how many umpteen hours its going to take to design the mounts, and then take purchase the material, and then program the machines, and lets not forget test fitting. It will cost an unattainable amount for a group of 13 buyers unless everyone is willing to spend that much to get it completed.

I need to know if you guys are going to support me on this, or else I will have to just stop all the research and time I have been putting forth into this. I did not quit when AZ said they could not do it now. I have been looking for a reasonable manufacture, and I feel I may have found one. But now the choice is in your hands.

Let me know.

Sean

[lostforawhile]

Ok, would you like me to drop this completely then? Because with every member you guys drop hurts the group big time.

I know many of you think that its easy to do this, but it is not, especially when a company is going to put their name and reputation on it. Some of you have the skills to do this on your own, but now the resources to take on such a big project. I admire you for that, but when trying to secure an aftermarket item, we need numbers.

And when numbers start to fall then the projects either hold up or just dont get finished. I know that you were all looking forward to Billet mounts, but its just not financially feasable for you guys to offered it.

When I gave price of $350 + on the Billet, AZ did the math and to do your project was going to cost you guys way to much for all the member to bare. It was not going to be a $350 part, it would have been at least $900 for your kits, at least.

Let me break it down to you like this, it costs $80 per/hour for manhours for custom work on anything(average, and AZ Race's fee) so if you add that to how many umpteen hours its going to take to design the mounts, and then take purchase the material, and then program the machines, and lets not forget test fitting. It will cost an unattainable amount for a group of 13 buyers unless everyone is willing to spend that much to get it completed.

I need to know if you guys are going to support me on this, or else I will have to just stop all the research and time I have been putting forth into this. I did not quit when AZ said they could not do it now. I have been looking for a reasonable manufacture, and I feel I may have found one. But now the choice is in your hands.

Let me know.

Sean

um i didn't say anything negative i was just bringing up the point about how the dog bone is important,some people have complained it's in the way,it still needs to be there but not to say another mount couln't be built to simply move it and a better bushing,does need to be part of the package though.