H22A/F20B PRi Engine Mounts.

**Jdub07** · 09-23-2002, 02:35 PM

Man if you only knew

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-23-2002, 04:11 PM

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**night** · 09-23-2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by MSIAccord_LXi
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thats exactly what he means

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-23-2002, 10:40 PM

Well, he's going to have to be a lil more specific then that

**89AccordNate** · 09-24-2002, 06:48 AM

We all think you are full of shit, its not as easy as you say, you know NOTHING obviously about this swap. Your pulling information out of your ass and trying to get people pumped for no reason. I bet you know nothing technically speaking about the engine or the swap, your relying on others information, which is wrong. You arent even smart enough to know why it wont work, you instantly think it will because it goes in other cars. If you knew anything about cars, their systems and how they bolt uo you would understand. Until you know a little, you will continue to kill your reputation on this board, and I will continue to laugh at you and take nothing you say seriously due to this long post.

Nate.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-24-2002, 11:19 AM

You are the lamest person I know Nate. Your suposed "Knowledge" Overwhelms me lmao!!! Its soo funny to watch you sit there and act like you know what your talking about! Ohh well. Keep laughing, your just gettting dumber and dumber within every lil post you make.

**sanjay** · 09-24-2002, 11:20 PM

I take it, it is generally too hard?

MSI - don't get personal... its not nice.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-24-2002, 11:29 PM

I'm not, He's on ignore any more and in my mind he cannot stop me from my goal. Its not my fault he's a incometant prick. But Ohh Well.

**quagmire** · 09-26-2002, 02:11 PM

A few points:
1) The H22 is a great motor, which doesnt get the attention it deserves thanks to the insurance reates on Preludes.
2) A hydro clutch also has more gripping power than our cable clutches, as anyone who has tried to powershift in a 3g is a witness to the cable mechanisms poor gipping ability. Though an aftermarket clutch helps, the hydro is still better suited to the power output.
3) Anyone who would go H22 over the B-series is a serious speed freak, who needs the displacement.

Unfortunately, Im in college and cant afford food, much less a H22 swap. This kit could be a godsend to the 3g community, but I'd need some more info about PRi before I'd even think about this deal. A website would be nice, as would independent opinions of their work. Sorry for the length.

***carotman*** · 09-26-2002, 02:48 PM

2) A hydro clutch also has more gripping power than our cable clutches, as anyone who has tried to powershift in a 3g is a witness to the cable mechanisms poor gipping ability. Though an aftermarket clutch helps, the hydro is still better suited to the power output.

the type of clutch has nothing to do with the gripping power, the pressure plate has

**night** · 09-26-2002, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by quagmire
2) A hydro clutch also has more gripping power than our cable clutches, as anyone who has tried to powershift in a 3g is a witness to the cable mechanisms poor gipping ability. Though an aftermarket clutch helps, the hydro is still better suited to the power output.

omg.....

**quagmire** · 09-26-2002, 05:42 PM

What I meant was that a wimpy linkage is usually attached to a wimpy pressure plate. So for a stronger pressure plate, you need a stronger linkage, like a hydro or z-bar setup on a musclecar. Unless there are super strong linkages that I'm not aware of. Wouldn't a cable be too weak to stand up to the heavy spring pressures of a strong pressure plate?

**YK86** · 09-26-2002, 07:16 PM

My 260HP Mustang uses a cable clutch and it does the job fine. I would have to agree with the opinion that the type of linkage doesn't really matter.

**quagmire** · 09-26-2002, 07:41 PM

I just figured that since my clutch doesnt grab when powershifting, but never slips any other time, and since my friends 99 Civic has no problem powershifting with his stock clutch, it would be the linkage. I didnt think the cable could give enough advantage not to slip under power.
Also, I figured there had to be a reason that Honda and other OEMs switched to the hydro linkage.
Mea Culpa.

**night** · 09-26-2002, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by quagmire
I just figured that since my clutch doesnt grab when powershifting, but never slips any other time, and since my friends 99 Civic has no problem powershifting with his stock clutch, it would be the linkage. I didnt think the cable could give enough advantage not to slip under power.
Also, I figured there had to be a reason that Honda and other OEMs switched to the hydro linkage.
Mea Culpa.

might that be cuz u need a new clutch ??

and the only logical reason to go to hydro is cuz its 'softer'. and perhaps smoother. for whatever thats worth.
personaly i hate hydro tranny's.

**PhydeauX** · 09-26-2002, 09:37 PM

I'll have to agree with that, its much easier to feel the cluth with a cable, even though with the act plate its feels like I'm pushing the brake pedal. The only reasons I can think of for them switching to hydro would be easier to wind a hydro line into a tight packed engine bay, and its softer to push for those with spindly girlie legs ;-P.

andy

**quagmire** · 09-26-2002, 09:41 PM

Hydros are better for high power applications because they're more durable, ie able to take the increased spring force of a pressure plate with stronger springs. But you're right they do have the advantage of being smoother and easier to drive.
As far as my situation, its just that my clutch/pressure plate isnt strong enough to grab a flywheel spinning at high rpm while powershifting. A pressure plate could theoretically transmit enough spring force into the cable to break it, provided it was strong enough to provide that amount of force. And a 260 hp Rustang isn't powerful enough to qualify for a setup with those potential problems.

**PhydeauX** · 09-26-2002, 09:54 PM

A hydro can put out a greater force while keeping the pedal travel at a reasonable distance, letting you work a stronger pressure plate with out haveing to work extra hard or have an extra long pedal to get the leverage you need. It has nothing to do with stength. Steel wound cable is pretty durable, and if its not strong enough you can always get a thicker one.

andy

**YK86** · 09-26-2002, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by quagmire
And a 260 hp Rustang isn't powerful enough to qualify for a setup with those potential problems.

LOL. I had a feeling something like that would be coming. Supercharged ones with 450+HP also have no problems running cable linkage with performance King Cobra clutches. Anyways, what is qualified as being powerful enough then?? I though we were talking about H22's and to a smaller extent, your 3g and friend's Civic???

**2Fast_Fiero** · 09-26-2002, 11:10 PM

Place Racing Inc. H22A Engine Swap Mounts for 3rd Gen Accord:
1. NetFreak
2. MSIAccord_LXi
3. CarotMan
4. BabyBlueAccord
5. Chan (Guy In Burque W/Gold 87 Accord LXi)
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Prototype Car: (Must Be Someone In SoCal)

**quagmire** · 09-27-2002, 10:05 AM

You're right, most imports will never have enough torque to worry about the strengh. Before the 3g, I was into 4x4s where you want everything to be bulletproof as possible. So a cable is probably ok, but the point is moot with the H22, as there is no alternative. If I end up doing a b-series, then I'll probably do a junkyard cable tranny.

**2Fast_Fiero** · 10-03-2002, 03:34 PM

Place Racing Inc. H22A Engine Swap Mounts for 3rd Gen Accord:
1. NetFreak
2. MSIAccord_LXi
3. CarotMan
4. BabyBlueAccord
5. Chan (Guy In Burque W/Gold 87 Accord LXi)
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10.

Prototype Car: (Must Be Someone In SoCal)

**88LXi68** · 10-03-2002, 04:04 PM

LOL not giving up?

**2Fast_Fiero** · 10-03-2002, 04:48 PM

No
But I might be making it easier for PRi cause my friend in New Jersey is making mounts for this. He's also trying to talk his friend into making custom axles for it.

**Neuspeed87lx** · 10-04-2002, 12:43 PM

i dont understand how you can think this swap is going to be easy..and not as expensive as we all think? if it was then why has no one ever done it before...and how is the h22 swap cheaper than the b series swap ? i hope you can get 10 people and have the mounts made but i dont think you will be able too ....it would just be too expensive to do the swap...its not like you just buy the motor and mounts and throw it into your car and your off....but anyway goodluck