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    Cool Naf's Update thread

    I wanted to have one of these threads too

    First off, some info about the car for those who haven't read my introduction thread.

    It's a 1989 2.0-16 4W ALB, originally imported to Finland from somewhere in Europe, the car is the French type according to the plate in the engine compartment but might just as well originate from any of the surrounding French-speaking countries (update, I'm almost certain it's Switzerland)... The engine is a B20A8, which means it's got emissions components unlike the Finnish version (B20A2), and thus a bit less power. Other differences are exhaust manifold and compression ratio. Only thing it really lacks accessory-wise is A/C, other than that it's got pretty much all you can get. Cruise control, power windows/locks/mirrors/steering, seat heater, ALB, headlight wipers... That should be most of it. With about 270,000 km on the clock, I'm guessing she's got a mid-life crisis coming on?

    So, here we go.
    She needs a good wash, no good doing it yet with the weather we've been having here. In the past three weeks or so the snow's melted three or four times and snowed back a few days later. Also needs a paint job, right now the both rear wheel arches are just red primer... Probably gonna be a while 'til I can afford that though. Still a bunch of rust to get rid of. Had her patched up enough so I should get her through inspection which I need to do within a month.



    Also, thanks to a flat tire it's got a new wheel I found in my trunk.
    OEM spare, for ca5 accord/ba4 prelude. By the looks of it, it had never been used before.



    Then it flapped it's wings and took off...




    After we got it to settle down, me and a buddy were trying to figure out which part of the front right speed sensor (for the ALB system) wasn't working. So we checked the shop manual for troubleshooting (I know it's the front right speed sensor because of the control unit throwing me the code), first thing it said to do was "disconnect wire harness from speed sensor". Well, after scratching our heads for about half an hour without figuring out where said wire harness was, we gave up and poked around with some other random things on the control unit. Needless to say, we didn't come out of the experience any smarter.

    Does someone know where the sensor harness is? All we found was the wires running from the sensor inside the car (nothing to disconnect, just solid wire going from the sensor through the hole in the wheel wall), and the connector which connects all of the wires to the ALB ecu. Of course I forgot about taking pictures in the process.

    Gonna try and get some more pics later. I need to take some pics of all the rust spots (and a hole or two) that needs to be fixed (for own reference if nothing else), and of the parts that have been fixed. Just sucks that I don't really have any excess money to use on the car, would love to get her in tip top shape. I guess I should just learn how to weld and shit...

    I guess this'll have to do for now, need to go to sleep and take a shower... In reverse order.


    PS. did I write all that? o.O



    Here below I'll be updating what I have done, and need/want/dream to do.

    Done:

    Body work
    (had a guy do this for me, I need to learn to weld some day)
    - New right rear wheel arch panel, was completely gone with rust
    - Rust hole in the side skirt in front of the right rear wheel fixed.
    - Left rear wheel arch patched up, a bunch of rust here too
    - Area below filler cap fixed, had a rust hole
    - New sheet metal on both sides behind the rear wheels (the ones where the bumper's attached), as everything else these were also gone with rust

    Other:
    So far not much done, I've changed the oil and replaced the drivers door doorstopper (or whatever it's called) the old one had broken off.

    Replaced the cracked bumper light cover with a less cracked one...
    Got some new trim for the part that was cracked (wrong color)
    Changed transmission oil

    In the process of figuring out what's wrong with my ALBs.

    Got it through inspection

    Changed valve cover gasket and the seals around the spark plug holes. Also made an attempt at adjusting the valves.

    Fixed my idle problem (maybe), adjusted the FITV so that atleast it doesn't try to warm up at 2k RPMs when it's already warm. Hopefully this will help with the roaming idle too, which seems to have almost disappeared before when I replaced the coolant.

    To do:

    - Fix up my summer wheels (on hold for now, had to put them on earlier than I planned because I didn't want to spend money on fixing the winter tire that got a flat... there's always next year )

    Body work:
    - Inner rear wheel arches
    - Rust spots here and there... Hole below the right taillight, rust around the hinge of the rear left door, various spots on the trunk lid, bottom rear corner of the rear right door, some around the antenna, and a bit on the edge between roof/sunroof... I think that's most of it. Update: after taking a hose to the car and most off the crap coming off of it, I found a whole lot more rust
    - And even more rust found inside the rear bumper, not sure how much, but I can pull out one of the fog lights without screwing it off... the mounts are all gone, and I think a lot of the bumper mount is too. Also similar things inside the front bumper, a lot less tho.

    - Retractable antenna isn't working, the motor is turning but nothing happens.

    - Cruise control on/off switch doesn't switch off (better than the other way around I guess)

    - Rear bumper hangs crooked (about a centimeter), front bumper is a bit weird at places too.

    - Fix the exhaust up, preferably a completely new system

    - Fix the ALB

    - Paintjob

    - Win the lottery

    - A bunch of the moldings need replacing, why do these rust anyway?

    - Suspension making noises (front right)

    - CV joints don't sound good
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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Very Nice
    2004-2011?

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    Re: Naf's Update thread





    You want to be looking at connector 236 and 225.

    rock on 2.0i-16's!


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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    not bad at all

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Beautiful

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdane View Post
    You want to be looking at connector 236 and 225.

    rock on 2.0i-16's!
    Thanks, that should help. What manual are those pics from?

    Can't really tell from those pictures though, are those located inside the car or in the engine bay? If it's in the engine bay I'm either blind or they're well hidden behind something...

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Naf's Asdf View Post
    Thanks, that should help. What manual are those pics from?

    Can't really tell from those pictures though, are those located inside the car or in the engine bay? If it's in the engine bay I'm either blind or they're well hidden behind something...
    http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/Honda_service_manuals

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Yeah, I got those... Never seem to find what I need with all the supplements to look through though.

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Car looks good... unfortunately most of us dont have ALB in our cars, being in north america... so those manuals are probably your best friend. Good luck with the rust repair and such... heated seats must be cool, i love those in winter.

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Hmm, I got good and bad news. Good is I found the connector, bad is the sensor is working (at least if I did the tests right). And how's that bad you might ask... Well, it means that it's the pulser, or the gap between the pulser and sensor that is wrong and I have no idea on how to fix that. I'm pretty sure there was some special tools involved too. Or if it isn't that, it's the control unit which I suspect isn't very cheap.

    Anyways, updated my first post with some thing's that's been done and more that I need to do. Kind of a reminder list for myself, but feel free to give any pointers on any of the things I've listed.

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Ok, so here's some pics.


    The guy who did the body work was supposed to replace the flex pipe too, but I don't really know what he did there... Looks pretty ghetto to me.


    Cruise control switch just won't go off...


    Name tag. There's the "type (france)" thingy too


    Got a blown bulb...


    Cracked bumper light


    Evil stuff


    Backseat maybe?


    B20A


    Front interior, leather steering wheel


    And some more of the interior...


    The interior has been kept pretty tidy, but is also in need of a wash. It's dusty as hell.

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    Pic of the block


    Cracked trim...


    Rusted rear right inner wheel arch, I'm also missing the cover thing that goes in there.


    fixed...


    Rear left wheel arch, got the plastic thingy there so just stuck my hand under the car and shot it blindly


    also fixed


    Big hole fixed, door still rusty.


    The badge is in bad company


    Whole arch replaced here.

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Naf's Asdf View Post
    Thanks, that should help. What manual are those pics from?

    Can't really tell from those pictures though, are those located inside the car or in the engine bay? If it's in the engine bay I'm either blind or they're well hidden behind something...
    I have this collection which includes the wiring diagram manual



    To check the wheel sensors you measure their resistance while the connector is disconnected and you also check for continuity to ground from either one of the sensor wires -there shouldnt be any. (If you have a scope you can do a little more advanced diagnosis as well). Also insure that the ABS pulser ring is not missing a tooth or broken so that it can spin freely round on the axle. Dont worry about the sensor gap, that wont be an issue unless your sensor is dangling by its wire next to the wheel...

    Good to see you are getting some rust taken care of!


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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    i want your engine and trans..haha

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Thanks for the responses

    I'm pretty sure I got the sensor resistance measured right, and it was within specs. But how should I check the connectivity? (I did something, but I have no idea if I did it right)

    Messy, find me a rust free car with everything else in good shape and I'll trade you my engine and tranny for it

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    with your ohm meter connect one probe to one of the sensor wires and the other probe to ground next to the sensor. there shouldnt be any continuity at all.


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    hey. cool cars dude B20A for the win!!

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    its an Accord Type fR lol
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    i really like that interior!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2drSE-i View Post
    its an Accord Type fR lol
    I think it probably would have been if they made Type R's back then

    Ended up changing to my summer tires yesterday, because of the flat. Didn't feel like paying to get it fixed right now. That puts my plans for the wheels on hold, but I figured how it looks is one of the least important parts atm. Washed off the worst crap of it today, and found a bunch more rust.

    I also think that something in the front right suspension is giving up. It makes a sort of crunching sound when I press it down, also does it while driving. I'm sure the nice inspector guys are gonna have something to say about it.

    My gearbox is really giving me a hard time getting into first, and sometimes second too... Need to get the oil changed asap and hope that it helps. Otherwise I'm looking at even more trouble.

    thegreatdane, I think I did the test right now. No continuity, so that would mean the pulser ring is probably bad? Can I check it somehow without having to pull apart everything?

    Also my exhaust feels like it's in worse shape now than before it was "fixed", gonna have to ask the guy what he really did to it.

    My phone battery was dead too, so no pics. Gonna get some tomorrow, it's an SUV now with the bigger wheels on it

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Good looking project as well as progress. I looked at your engine bay, and what is that reservoir that is between the battery and shock tower?
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    Quote Originally Posted by russiankid View Post
    Good looking project as well as progress. I looked at your engine bay, and what is that reservoir that is between the battery and shock tower?
    i think thats for ALB

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Thanks, I guess it's becoming more of a project than it was meant to be. The body seems to be in a lot worse shape than it was supposed to be, and new things keep popping up all the time. Need to have a good rant at my dad (bought it from him). I'm using it as a daily driver too, which makes everything more difficult.

    And that's the ALB break fluid reservoir.

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Here are the pics as promised






    It's clean(er)-ish!

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    Re: Naf's Update thread

    Nice. I like the wheels.

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