I Hate Ford

[oscwrestler]

i just neeeded a temp fix. my uncle is still trying to get my to use epoxy glue haha

[markmdz89hatch]

i just neeeded a temp fix. my uncle is still trying to get my to use epoxy glue haha

if it's heat resistant, I say why not try it. I used high-heat JB Weld as a temp fix for a crack on an exhaust manny on my dad's '78 F100 (I 6) and it worked like a charm for a good 8+ years.

[2oodoor]

I used that on a 4.6 intake on the right rear side on the heater hose nipple that had cracked. It held up a good six months until it started leaking a little down into a spark plug hole, started misfiring and stinking.
The composite is resiny, so with expansion it breaths somewhat making things not want to bond in it too well.

Ok I own two 4.6, I find it to be a very reliable and tough ass powerplant. I also own two A20A1, another tough ass PP, also a B20A ( I always have to throw that in there don't I)

[oscwrestler]

i guess it couldnt be too bad if it kept running for 12 years. i just can't believe it cracked from me getting on it though... we've come to the conclusion that the alternator being tightened down too much was why it happened. we could hardly get the damn thing off to see the crack.

[Ichiban]

phooey last two posts, exploding chevy trucks ring a bell , the biggest class action settlement ever in automotive history?

I own one of those Chevy trucks, and any other machine with saddle tanks is just as safe (or unsafe). They only really explode like that if you use modified rocket engines, like CNN did. Man did they get sued by GM.

[Civic Accord Honda]

i just neeeded a temp fix. my uncle is still trying to get my to use epoxy glue haha

haha i used epoxy to glue my thermostat housing back together after i tried to get it too tight and snapped it in 2

[2oodoor]

I own one of those Chevy trucks, and any other machine with saddle tanks is just as safe (or unsafe). They only really explode like that if you use modified rocket engines, like CNN did. Man did they get sued by GM.

I never saw one explode other than on tv, I have seem them in the JY all burned up. Usually those trucks will snap in two from the rusted out rockers, firewall, rear cab, and rear wheel quarters before they get a chance to burn. Unless of course the paint peels off in sheets and the surface panels rot off first.
Good old trucks otherwise simple to work on

[Ichiban]

I never saw one explode other than on tv, I have seem them in the JY all burned up. Usually those trucks will snap in two from the rusted out rockers, firewall, rear cab, and rear wheel quarters before they get a chance to burn. Unless of course the paint peels off in sheets and the surface panels rot off first.
Good old trucks otherwise simple to work on

Uh, body rust aside, I'm pretty sure my truck has a frame underneath which holds itself together despite the paint falling off and massive rust issues.

[2oodoor]

Uh, body rust aside, I'm pretty sure my truck has a frame underneath which holds itself together despite the paint falling off and massive rust issues.

Yes I know, that was a stretch, I like old chevys. And yes ford has put out plenty of junk too, 1980 to about 89 the ford trucks are total junk, not much better after that until around 2001 when dodge introduced the new body and they had to tighten up.

[Ichiban]

Yes I know, that was a stretch, I like old chevys. And yes ford has put out plenty of junk too, 1980 to about 89 the ford trucks are total junk, not much better after that until around 2001 when dodge introduced the new body and they had to tighten up.

Yeah, I wouldn't own a new GM if you paid me. Love the '84 High Sierra 2500 though.

[Civic Accord Honda]

Yes I know, that was a stretch, I like old chevys. And yes ford has put out plenty of junk too, 1980 to about 89 the ford trucks are total junk, not much better after that until around 2001 when dodge introduced the new body and they had to tighten up.

yeah id rather have a old chevy over a old ford but id rather have a newer ford over a newer chevy haha

Yeah, I wouldn't own a new GM if you paid me. Love the '84 High Sierra 2500 though.

haha yeah my nabours have a 04 i think silverrado truck and GD that thing pours oil out like nothing other makes the tiny leaks under my car look like nothing haha it also takes like 5mins to start i love the old chevy trucks tho

[2oodoor]

^^I love old Ford trucks too 65-79 models are awesome vehicles. My first swap was in a 68 F100. Swapped it in my parents driveway while they went on vacation, they woulda shit.. Went from a 6 cyl 3speed on the columm to a 351W pro stock motor with a C4 auto.

[Dr_Snooz]

I own one of those Chevy trucks, and any other machine with saddle tanks is just as safe (or unsafe). They only really explode like that if you use modified rocket engines, like CNN did. Man did they get sued by GM.

Yeah, the trucks never caught fire. The only reason they caught fire on TV was because some enterprising reporter in dire need of a good story rigged the truck with incendiary devices to light the leaking gas on impact. It was all baloney. It was a huge fiasco and really damaged the network's reputation.

Ford, on the other hand, seems to have a history of designing cars that kill their owners. The magically rolling-over Ford Explorer fits this category, as does the genuinely fire-prone Pinto. I'd never own a Ford. I don't know how they stay in business.

[2oodoor]

Yeah, the trucks never caught fire. The only reason they caught fire on TV was because some enterprising reporter in dire need of a good story rigged the truck with incendiary devices to light the leaking gas on impact. It was all baloney. It was a huge fiasco and really damaged the network's reputation.

Ford, on the other hand, seems to have a history of designing cars that kill their owners. The magically rolling-over Ford Explorer fits this category, as does the genuinely fire-prone Pinto. I'd never own a Ford. I don't know how they stay in business.

I gotta say Snooz I always agree with what you say except on this one . GM would have never had to settle on the class action suit where they issued 2000 dollar credits to all original purchasers of chevy trucks for almost a 20 year span of year models if there was nothing to it, dont you think? True the report may have been dramatized as a reinactment no bones about it.
Yes any time you slam into a car so fast it makes another part puncture the gas tank, yes it may well go out in a ball of flames. The Explorer, was Firestone tires. and on that point I can take any S-10 format chevy blazer and flip it in the parking lot by running it up to about 40 mph and cutting the wheel right then full left suddenly. It is the nature of that type of vehicle. That is why most all mini SUV use independant rear suspension now.
OK now the Ford Cruise control switchs thing, yes an engineering fault. All of them do not catch fire though. How does Ford stay in business? by being a world class companythat has been succuessful, so much they were number one selling automotive brand for years and years. until Toyota recently took the crown.

[Ichiban]

I'd say most automakers are guilty of major sins. Ever driven a straight axle toyota shortbox in winter? They'll go out of their way to kill ya.

Oh, I never got a 2000 dollar cheque from GM for owning a 73-87 GM truck. Neither did my dad, who bought it new. It must have been an American thing, just like Honda's recall on the alternator wiring on the 79-82 Accords. Canadian wires still fried, but there weren't enough in the country to justify a recall. Figure that bullshit.

[2oodoor]

true sins by all, agreed


the most dangerous car Ive driven was a 280Z Datsun, you can not take your eyes off the road for even a half second or you will be on the shoulder or worse, not that it pulled any direction either.

[paul]

Ok I own two 4.6, I find it to be a very reliable and tough ass powerplant.

+1 love the quad-cammed 4.6's, very tough engine; always been a 5.0 guy though...

[Dr_Snooz]

How does Ford stay in business? by being a world class companythat has been succuessful, so much they were number one selling automotive brand for years and years. until Toyota recently took the crown.

LOL, I see you're a Ford man. Okay, no problem. I won't claim that side saddles were a great design, and I certainly won't say that Chevys are great cars. However, the tanks were in compliance with US safety regulations at the time (not to rupture at collisions up to 20 mph). They certainly weren't as bad as Dateline's fiery crash video led everyone to believe. To get the footage, the testers had to help ignite the fuel by placing model rocket engines on the tanks. I guess they were looking for a Pinto-like scandal, but it just wasn't there without some additional help (ie: model rocket engines). Anyway, they ended up having to issue a public apology.

According to the NHTSA, these GM trucks were only slightly less safe overall than Fords (and a lot more safe than Dodges). The NHTSA also calculated the risk of dying by fire in a side impact collision in one of these trucks to be 50% greater than in an equivalent Ford, but still quite small.

Sorry for the shot at Ford. It just seems that Ford has a car every decade or so with a demonstrated propensity for killing people (don't really buy the tire argument). lf you like Fords, rock on. You know a lot more about cars than I do, so I'll respect your opinion.



What I don't respect is you making me spend the last hour researching side saddle tanks on the web!

[2oodoor]

its ok Snooz, knowledge is good. I am not so neccesarliy a Ford fan as I am keeping the brand bashing ball in the same court.
I recently had 99 silverado, up until now it was the best vehicle I ever owned. Other than an annoying cold engine knock and the rear diff self destructing because of a 12 dollar crush sleeve, which I did not discover until way too late. Thing is Ford, GM and Dodge are having similar problems with thier diffs. So even though I have an even better truck 04 Ford, love it, it stands a good chance of the same thing happening to it. Ford is using the same set up on the front spindle, and I have already had to replace a rotor (nothing wrong with the rotor surface though!) , which comes with the bearing in it, crush sleeve, and one time use axle nut. The axle nut torque is 285 FT LBS.. ever heard of such? this is two wheel drive too! Most wrenchs only go to 250 unless you go 3/4 drive the crush sleeve allowed play even though everything else was in spec, this caused the rotor to contact the caliper when I made turns. So yeah a little Ford hating there.. lol

[Dr_Snooz]

Thanks man. If you're ever in CA, we have to get together for beers. We can talk about all the dumb design in cars out there. We could go for days and not run out of examples. I have a few stories, but I'll bet you have a lot more.