removing black box

[89sei89dx]

i got some pics on hhere finally. i removed everything in the black box and re routed thhe vac lines i had left over. all i have left from the black box is the map sensor and the ignition controll module and thhe cvc valve(constant vaccume controll valve).
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i just wanted to put up the pics of te vac lines to try to hhelp people that want to remove some of them or fix broken leaky lines.

[labeledsk8r]

how does it run without some of the vac stuff?? have you thought of obd-1 setup..

on a side note do i see a tophat mod done to your shock towers?

[Rendon LX-i]

A man u should defiantely should do a how-to i wanted to do this for a long ass time lol...Be perfect

[Rendon LX-i]

YOUR from Yakima LOL...i live in selah bro we should meet...

[ghettogeddy]

ya are the top hats on the inside of the engine bay

[89sei89dx]

yeah the top hats are upside down with inch 1/4 spacers. i drilled three new holes in between the bolts on the top hat and bolts run thru the stock body holesmto the top hat upside down and up the extra 2 or so inches it makes it ride better . the shock is a stock replacement and it is extended about stock height. my car is lowered about 4 inches . but it corners good and doesnt bounce too much. i got custom top hats on the back too. 2 1/2 extension so they are not sitting hella low then bottom out when i hit a bump.i also have 4 door shocks on the back and they feel stiffer i think. i will post pics of these mods later when i get home. also yeah i live in cowiche and i think i see your car around all the time at the drift in i think. it is pretty damn nice.

[import racer]

so do you still have the tophats on the spring underneath or just those on top.

[Rendon LX-i]

yeah i live in cowiche and i think i see your car around all the time at the drift in i think. it is pretty damn nice.

My wife works there so she took it when it was N/A lol i dont thing she well be doing that since its turbo lol....

[89sei89dx]

i see it at the tire store alot in selah now that i think about it. i used to live there and roll around in my black and white coupe alot. yeah we should meet up. i want to check out that turbo.its still the a20 right . my friends been talkin about puttin a turbo on my car for a while and he had the turbo setup on his camero and said he would give me all of the turbo stuff for my car but i dont have a turbo manifod or enough money to by one so for now no turbo.
primed it today
engine area cleaned and like 3 vac lines and no box. still about 27 or more mpg city

[ghettogeddy]

that would prolly be the perfect mod to run maybe without the spacers to have a strut bar on a carbed car

[import racer]

So do you have two top hats on each side with the top ones upside down.are the bottom ones modified so the shocks will reach the top ones.

[89sei89dx]

i have just 1 tophat on each side. with shorter springs. so i put in the spring and shock from the bottom and since my springs are lower when i got it all the way up in there and held it there. i look in the engine bay and the top mount nut for the shock was up thru the body hangin out there with the bump stop so i then put the top hat on there. with spacers . it helped the ride alot

[Rendon LX-i]

[QUOTE=89sei89dx;911467]i see it at the tire store alot in selah now that i think about it. i used to live there and roll around in my black and white coupe alot. yeah we should meet up. i want to check out that turbo.its still the a20 right . my friends been talkin about puttin a turbo on my car for a while and he had the turbo setup on his camero and said he would give me all of the turbo stuff for my car but i dont have a turbo manifod or enough money to by one so for now no turbo.
QUOTE]

yeah i work at franks tire in selah thats cool shit man...Im getting my downpipe put on next weekend and yeah its a a20a3 with a Dsm T25 turbo....yeah takes time man took me a good year in a half i got mine from justin he made me one for 240 which is good and turbo was a 100 and the shit just keeps adding up i got 1200 already into it got 450cc injectors and safc and getting a wideband soon as funds are in my hand lol....kinda of hard when u got a baby on the way.

Rendon

[import racer]

So you just took the top hat off your shock,put lowered springs on and bolt top hat on top with short bolts.then jack it up through hole in top hat and bolt down.Is that right and sdo you need the spacers or is it because your so low.

[89sei89dx]

import racer
So you just took the top hat off your shock,put lowered springs on and bolt top hat on top with short bolts.then jack it up through hole in top hat and bolt down.Is that right and sdo you need the spacers or is it because your so low.

yeah basicaly. i have the spacers too becouuse i lowered the car alot and did not want my shocks to blow out when i hit a bump.also i did not have the cash to go buy the good shocks i wanted that are made for a lower car. have more available travel up n down. if i did not have the spacers also i flipped the top hat and u could use it like that but my car is lowered 3 to 4 inches so that flipped top hhat would only give me like an extra inch or two. i wantedto have enough room so i put thhe spacers. it works awesome. no blown shocks and it has good shock to it. if i left it lower withhout flippin tophat or addin spacers it would be to low and ruin the shock the first coupleof times i hit a bump. so then all i would have for suspension is springs and the car would bounce all over and ride likke shit. it happened and i dealt with it for like to weeks and it SUCKED. It is good now.i will put close up pics of that and the custom top hats in back on here tomarrow when it is light

[senor honda]

I see we think alike......

I was going to use a top hat below, since it has the rubber to cushion the spring and quiet the noise.

I was going to drill out the stock bolts from the bottom hat,
run 3/8 X 3 1/2" bolts upward thru the stock holes,
remove the rubber doughnut above and below the top hat so the shock rod doesn't rub them, remove the cover that hangs down over the rod that keeps
dirt off the shock rod.

I was going to sit the spring on top of the coilover, but below the bottom top hat, and with the bolts pointing upward, and lower the car back down.

With the three bolts poking upward in the engine compartment, I was going to cut some electrical conduit for spacers to drop down over the 3 bolts, place the rubber doughnuts above and below the top hat, and bolt the top hat down onto the conduit spacers with nylock locking nuts. Conduit is strong
when compressed between bolt and nut and is cheaper than steel tubing.
There is very little force on it when there are three of them, anyway.

Last step was to bolt a washer above the top doughnut and double-nut the top of the shock rod.

My question is.......since I wanted to keep the dirt off of the shock rod, does anyone have suggestions as to how I can keep the shock rod cover in use?

The shock rod has a step in it at the bottom of the threads, where the dirt cover was intended to rest on, and that step will now interfere with the hat if the dirt protector is in place.

Any ideas? Thanks, -Bob

[senor honda]

I thought about trimming some coffee cans to slip down over the
upper hat, and painting them to match the car............-Bob

[A18A]

haha i'll be interested in seeing that, be sure to post pics

[import racer]

I Just Want To Lower My Front To Get Rid Of The Gap Between The Wheelwell And Tire.but Don"t Have A Lot Of Cash.do You Think If I Cut My Springs About A Coil And Put Top Hats On Top It Would Be Ok.

[89sei89dx]

top hat mod on back
top hat on front with innch or 1.25 spacers and mounted upside downhow my car sits with the lip .and another of the rear top hat. and rust. i got alot of rust to fix on this car. but thats what i get for buyin a 200 dollar car. i WILL fix the rust later

[senor honda]

I Just Want .................do You Think If I Cut My Springs About A Coil And Put Top Hats On Top It Would Be Ok.

I have previously cut coils after careful measuring, on many types of cars.
Most cars can be lowered about 1 1/2" for a street lowering, to clear the local speed bumps. I have photographic proof that my car is lowered 3"
on cut coils, with no blown shocks, no beaten suspensions and no eaten tires.
Locally, I'm the only guy who knows how to measure a car suspension......
and cut coils.

To save the shocks from destruction, raise the upper top hat the same amount of distance that you lower the car.

It isn't cut coils that destroy shocks, it's springs that are too short that destroy shocks................something I have been unable to get across to the
local sellers of aftermarket coils................and since they see a loss of income from not selling/installing aftermarket coils, and I don't charge a lot to measure suspensions and cut coils, they get really viscious in their email attacks.

It doesn't matter if a person spent $300 for a spring that's too short, or if he made it too short all by himself, springs that are too short cause damage....
and raising the top shock mount by the same amount that you lower the car will prevent shock damage.

So MEASURE CAREFULLY.................-Bob

[89sei89dx]

I have previously cut coils after careful measuring, on many types of cars.
Most cars can be lowered about 1 1/2" for a street lowering, to clear the local speed bumps. I have photographic proof that my car is lowered 3"
on cut coils, with no blown shocks, no beaten suspensions and no eaten tires.
Locally, I'm the only guy who knows how to measure a car suspension......
and cut coils.

To save the shocks from destruction, raise the upper top hat the same amount of distance that you lower the car.

It isn't cut coils that destroy shocks, it's springs that are too short that destroy shocks................something I have been unable to get across to the
local sellers of aftermarket coils................and since they see a loss of income from not selling/installing aftermarket coils, and I don't charge a lot to measure suspensions and cut coils, they get really viscious in their email attacks.

It doesn't matter if a person spent $300 for a spring that's too short, or if he made it too short all by himself, springs that are too short cause damage....
and raising the top shock mount by the same amount that you lower the car will prevent shock damage.

that is exactly why i did this.

[Pico]

can you do a detailed write up on how you rerouted the vac. lines for removing the black box. I'm not so good at reading diagrams and it would be easier for to figure it out if you write it up.

[89sei89dx]

im gonna try to do that i was just lookin at how to section and thought i need to do that for these guys.i was lookin for info on here for removing them on the fi for a long ass time and didnt find anything that would help me.lookin for hours thru post after post.. i have a hard time explaining things so ill try to make it simple. it wasnt that hard . it looked real hard when i opened the black box and looked at all the stuff in there. but i found theright vacuum diagram. and i figured out what i needed and didnt. i didnt have ac or power steering or cruz. i will write it all out in a good how to.

[Pico]

im gonna try to do that i was just lookin at how to section and thought i need to do that for these guys.i was lookin for info on here for removing them on the fi for a long ass time and didnt find anything that would help me.lookin for hours thru post after post.. i have a hard time explaining things so ill try to make it simple. it wasnt that hard . it looked real hard when i opened the black box and looked at all the stuff in there. but i found theright vacuum diagram. and i figured out what i needed and didnt. i didnt have ac or power steering or cruz. i will write it all out in a good how to.

Cool Thanks