thats awesome john, do you plan on doing a dyno with this engine? i dont feel like reading the last 30 posts or so but are you still planning on carbed?
thats awesome john, do you plan on doing a dyno with this engine? i dont feel like reading the last 30 posts or so but are you still planning on carbed?
thanks mkymonkey
I sure do hope it will be a sleeper! I want some surprise the shit out of some B16 swapped Civics.Originally Posted by gfrg88
I calculated power to weight of this car, and it should be somewhere just under the Integra Type R with HP. Savings to my weight. But I believe this engine will have a better torque curve, so hopefully it will at least scare someone with one.
For now it's going to be stock. The rest of the car needs some serious love, as it's been sitting around not getting much action. Going to go over the suspension, and get some big swaybars going, do some minor brake work, and replace all the suspension bushings. Then interior. Then I'll probably tear down the B20A and go high compression with some headwork, cams, and will have to have a custom header installed.
As far as carbs vs EFI, I'm going back and forth, and I just can't make up my mind. I love carbs so much, but I would also love to run an OBD-I system that I can play with the tune on the computer and see all the little sensors doing their magic... So I dunno yet.
Also, I broke some valve off the intake manifold. Looks like a white, plastic EGR valve, thought I know that's not what it is. I dunno what it is... Hope it's not important!!
Last edited by 2ndGenGuy; 01-24-2009 at 11:54 PM.
Hey, lookin good! You should be able to swap over the block side mount from your ES onto the B20 to get it to line up like before. How does the dogbone line up?
Guess you're winning the B20 race so far, can't wait to get mine. 2009 is gonna be the year of faster and lower!!
ICHIBAN!
"Now, even more better!"
It's kind of an unfair race. Your motor being at my house and all. Too bad you wound up moving while we were waiting on the motor...
Now that you mention that, I'm going to be pissed if the ES bracket can go on the B20A. I didn't even think of doing that. I wound up doing a shitload of other work that you'll see here in my next post...
So after spending about 4 hours trying to remove a rusty as FUCK bolt, I spent the rest of the day fucking with the mounts to get it tweaked just right...
So, here's my update, I'm finally not too lazy to write.
Here's a pic of the front mount. Lines right up.
The rear mount, I took off of the other engine. This is actually the 3g Accord bracket, instead of the Prelude one. Makes the engine sit much better.
Here are the brackets, side by side. So you can see the difference. And why those of you with B20As might have engines sitting funny in the bay...
Here's how the side mount fits in the engine bay.
The way the mount looked before
And after
Basically I just had to weld in, and redrill the holes. I thought about just flipping it over, but as you can see from the picture below, it would have made the mount sit way too low. Not only that, but the big bushing was designed to carry the weight of the engine. Not if it's flipped over...
So I've got the engine in the bay... but there is an issue. Mainly the transmission is really close to the rear crossmember. I think it's going to hit, not only that but there seems to be some sidways stress on the rear mount. So I'm going to redrill the bracket so that I can adjust it.
And as suggested, I'm going to see if the ES side mount will bolt onto the B20 block. If so, I'll have to go get the stock engine mount at the junk yard, and bolt it back into the car.
Sweet!
You're making me to get a 2g as another project car!
if you did flip it over, you coulda used heaps of washers to make it not sit funny :P
loving the progress
boy am I glad I didnt post what I was thinking yesterday...
anyway, you are catching up with me very quickley .... you have good light in your shop btw
Have fun taking off that intake manifold?
Oh man that intake manifold was a pain, even with the motor out of the car. The lower bolts are virtually inaccessible. Lucky for my swivelhead socket extension!
Good progress!
Glad to see this comming along.
I used the Accord bracket on my engine and it still sits a bit crooked (not much).
Maybe you could have used the side mount from the SE-i at the junkyard. (Just wondering)
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Unfortunately the SEi has the same side mount as the ES2. The SEi block is the same as the ES/A20/etc.
Oh, so I guess the mount on the engine itself is different between the 3rd and 2nd gen? I used my A20A side mount with no modding at all.
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What would that have been?
Last edited by Ichiban; 01-26-2009 at 01:05 PM.
ICHIBAN!
"Now, even more better!"
Yeah what were you thinking yesterday? lol
i reckon lol
I decided how I'm going to get fuel into the engine:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...6844&viewitem=
With 38mm throttle bodies, I calculated that these carbs would be capable of 75% more airflow than the stock 58mm throttle body. They should sound wicked too.
So don't bid them out from under me please!kthxbye
as much as i hate carbs i would like to see those 4 carbs on johns b20
Dirt infested! Can't beat the price, though.
Funny really, I've 2 sets of ET2 twin carbs with manifolds, and was thinking today in class how I could mill off the ET2 head flange and machine up and MIG on one for the A/B20.
Kinda thinking of screwing around with those carbs for awhile, just to get it running. I'm scared of leaning out the top end though and popping the motor.
ICHIBAN!
"Now, even more better!"
You should run 4 of them!!! That would be badass, I bet i would run like a raped ape too. Though those CV carbs have kinda big vacuum chambers on top, not sure if you could fit all four in there next to eachother. I was originally eyeballing running 4 BMW Bing CV carbs from their old motorcycles. But they have big tops on them too. I'm still not ruling them out, but yeah for the price, I had to go with these for now. Yeah they're dirty, but I can clean / rebuild them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-...Q5fAccessories
I figure if you're running ITBs like this, they have to be at least 32mm. I think 30mm throttle bodies would be the equivalent of the stock 58mm throttle body. Or somewhere around there... I went with 38s because I want room for growth.
Last edited by 2ndGenGuy; 01-28-2009 at 03:44 PM.
that thing is gonna sound real mean...
I have pod filters on my bike and the only thing you can hear other than the loud exhaust are the carbs sucking air
ooyea john thats going to be sweet
200+ ALL MOTOR LS VTEC
Oh man, this is going to be a crazy setup. I can't wait to hear it! and see it in action..
OMG I can already imagine the mean intake noise!!
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