after i had swapped to a 5 speed and still NA, i was pulling a few car lengths on a couple of 98-99 accord 4dr V6s with cai's etc (should be a high 15s car) so i should have been solidly in the 15s, prolly with a 15.7-15.9 1/4 mile ish. I had ac removed, no muffler, no back seat, stripped trunk, lightweight flywheel, somtimes i had the ps belt off (worth about 2 tenths) homemade Short ram intake and some other small mods. No headwork/cam etc
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^^ then why is my car so damn slow.. lol... prob just weight and not having a adj. cam gear.
Originally Posted by CAH
you dont really need a cam gear. Mine is set to just about stock timing
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really? weird. I still want one for the "bling" factor and just cuz i've always wanted to see first hand how they affect cars.
But I have my timing advanced all the way atm, and cant get a good timing light. Plus i've been told like 10 diff ways on how to set timing, wanna chime in on it?
mines at 0 lol...i just have it 5 degrees retarded from the dizzy
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yeah i ran mine wayyy retarded when i was boosted at first like rendon but it ran way better when i had the msd btm pulling the timing out instead of running around retarded a bit all the time. Also if you NA you can go a few degrees advanced on the timing but dont go nuts, i wouldnt run it full advanced, just 2-4 degrees max, and then id run better gas, at least 89 or 91 or so
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I agree....i didnt have it much but enough to make it smooth thew the rpms...boost i HAD to retard...till i hard no back fire then i knew it was enough...i read and read and read then i figured it out thanks to 3geez lol
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actually, i had my ignition timing retarded like 7 or 8 degrees iirc.... thats alot! I finally put it back to around stock and had the msd btm pull out most of the timing. The runs i made with the 13 sec passes were with the ignition timing retarded, i set it back and messed around with it and it was worlds better and quicker with the btm but i never had time to run the car with slicks and running purely off the btm. Im sure it would have been solid in the 12s with the stock motor!
429whp 362wtq A20 TURBO. A20T>*
sweet. i guess ill get a btm too.. well once i upgrade the turbo.. he..
well i got a new A/F and boost gauge in the mail. Just ordered it. site pic:
boost is the #'s and AF is the bar on the out side. I believe its a 270* sweep. Oh and i ordered a new steering wheel + quick release hub.
Yous a gay...where you getting this extra money?
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~~NGK~~Silvania~~MSD~~Pioneer~~MSW~~Bosch~~DC Sports~~115WHP 116WTQ
late grad checks son! lol got it in the mail sat and was like OH SHIT!! MONEY!! MORE TURBO STUFF! then ran inside and ate some food.
and working wit no lunch breaks isnt fun, but its gonna be worth it when the check comes out
watch the dyno pull vid i made...you prolly pop a woody lol
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87Roach made 3 passes on the dyno adjusting the cam gear each time. With it advanced or retarded one degree he lost somewhere around 20hp on an NA car. When he zero'd it out, he put down 129whp. Impressive, and shows what a waste these cam gears turned out to be. And yes, watch Rendon's Dyno pull. It was impressive!
meh, did he have cams, milled head, P&p head, or any other mild/wild head work? I have spoken to people who tune low + high HP cars for a living and cam timing has a big role once u start messing with alot of things.
but anyways i saw teh video. deff will go 2.5in dp. And im getting that 16g i found. 150 son!
Yeah I wasn't thinking about it, but we weren't resetting the ignition timing when we redid the cam gear. Since the distributor runs off the cam, we were fucking with cam and ignition timing at the same time. Yes, he was quite modded out though. So I retract my previous statement about the cam gears being a waste.
Yea I have all those mods.
Hmm I didn't even think about resetting the timing, interesting.
So I'm guessing once I'm obd1 I can then change the cam gear and the ecu will still keep the ignition timing the same? Or without being obd1 after setting it advanced or retarded you have to reset the ignition timing?
Maybe move these posts to that other thread about the cam gear john.
Last edited by 87roach; 06-24-2009 at 08:48 AM.
No because OBDI you can set the advance, but you can't set the base timing with the computer. Your distributor will still be run off of the camshaft. Only way to keep your timing static is to run a setup like MegaJolt with a crank trigger wheel, or some sort of crank sensor to determine when to fire. Maybe we should make a sticky about the cam gear, so people understand how it works. We can put our findings in there. Really what we need is a dyno run while adjusting the cam gear, and resetting the timing back to base. I'd be willing to go in on an hour of Dyno time with someone to try this.
^^ if u were closer and i had a cam gear i would do this lol.
But yesterday I talked to rendon about the safc and found out im running like 3x as much fuel as i should be. SOooooo gonna retard the timing and turn the Fuel pressure down some to see if she will pull harder.
OMG WTF!?!? i just paid for the t25, mani, and dp. woot. hopefully will be here before next weekend.
should be....i that dp is in pieces LOL...only way to make it conpact....some welding well do the job
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I plan on putting a 2.5in exhaust all the way back so no biggie.
But i just ran over my list and besides, Oil, spark plugs, and a few other small things, All i need is oil Drain and a half stack and i can go boost!
soo i ordered some look cool parts last week and put them on.
Going to summit racing tuesday, buying the oil return, a 2.5 U-bend section of exhaust, and possibly a helicoil and one exhaust stud.
Show em your new tits.soo i ordered some look cool parts last week and put them on.
Going to summit racing tuesday, buying the oil return, a 2.5 U-bend section of exhaust, and possibly a helicoil and one exhaust stud.
Last edited by mushroom_toy; 06-28-2009 at 07:28 PM.
1986 Honda Accord Lx-i
~~NGK~~Silvania~~MSD~~Pioneer~~MSW~~Bosch~~DC Sports~~115WHP 116WTQ
once i get them on lol. shhh... i want to surprise everyone
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