Doing new rollbar full step in my car right now.

[MessyHonda]

tommy...i like it...but that bend does not look very safe....i would of welded a pipe from the floor to that bend so it will be more safe

[lostforawhile]

tommy...i like it...but that bend does not look very safe....i would of welded a pipe from the floor to that bend so it will be more safe

if you hit an imoveable object,those front bars are going to just bend in two and probably trap you inside the car, those bends are completly unsafe and even worse with no side bracing across the doors. not trashing you but this is a poorly designed cage, and it's going to end up killing you in a wreck. Oh well no one is listening anyway.

[lostforawhile]

not trying to scare you but thats a design that might well kill you in a wreck. I can count at least ten critical braces missing.

[Tommy AC89 Thailand]

LED Light.
I will swap black bucket seat to red bucket seat in a few day.

[blazin3gen]

damn that looks hawt that engine bay is sick. what kinda cluster is that ur runnin?

[lostforawhile]

I wanted to clarify i'm not hating your car Tommy,but thats a scary looking cage there, I hate to see you get hurt or killed and that way that cage is designed, one or the other will happen. those bars going by the dash that are bent they should have gone through the dash, and been as straight as possible. that Z shape of the bars will fold right up on you. It's a pain in the ass to notch the dash,but it really needs to be to run the tubes correctly. if you had a welder to make the cage, and weld on the tabs,why didn't the cage get welded to the car,and the cage welded together? it's an art form to make a cage correctly, the tubing has to be notched and fitted together with almost no gaps, those bolt on tabs will snap off too if the bolts don't break,they are the weakest point. We built planes with chromealoy cages as the fusalage, I'll have to take some pictures of the joints and how they fit together, it's exactly like a roll cage, but with smaller diameter tubes, the fitting and notching is the same. It's up tp you to do what you want,but i'm going to tell it like it is, if I didn't and you were killed in that thing, i would partly blame myself for not saying anything.

[86AccordLxi]

Well all the cusco cages from Japan have the same wavy A-pillar bar.

They're ok for drifting (I guess...), but they won't pass tech for SCCA or anything.

Anyway, for hardparking, that cage looks fine

[lostforawhile]

here's some good tech info on cages and proper design ,it's for off road but the basics are the same thing. I can look at that cage and see which way the tubes will bend in something like a wreck at highway speeds, and that's what scares me. http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...y/rollcage.htm

[wprocomp]

[blazin3gen]

lol i know..

[lostforawhile]

Hey i said my piece, like i said ,if i see something dangerous i'm going to say something. rest of the car looks ok.

[markmdz89hatch]

can I buy the black seats off you when you swap them over to red?

I do like the idea of a full cage, and I do respect most of your projects (especially the swap), but Just like what Tim (lostforawhile) is saying, this cage scares me.

I know it would make it a pain in the ass, but at that lower Z bend on the front bar, there really should be a cross brace connecting to the b-pillar hoop. That will sturdy it up in the event of a front-end crash. That diagonal bar extending from the floor on the front bar up to the midpoint on the b-pillar hoop is worthless with that kink in it. If it were straight, it would be much better. ...but as Tim is stressing, any kinks or bends, or weak joints are the weakest points and thus the first points of failure. Those very 'points of failure' are all in VERY close proximity to you and your passenger.

Don't get me wrong, I give you MAJOR props for taking on a huge project like a full cage, and I do like the quality of the welds and respect all the tabs and end links. I just think it needs to be executed in a better way.

Lots of great ideas going on here Tommy.

[Tommy AC89 Thailand]

My car at the night time.

[markmdz89hatch]

i really like how it looks at night, and the red seats with the takata belts is a nice touch.

[Tommy AC89 Thailand]

Thank a lot man.

[russiankid]

Maybe the cage up front doesn't have the best design, but it is probably better than not having anything. I will slow down the impact a bit.

[lostforawhile]

Maybe the cage up front doesn't have the best design, but it is probably better than not having anything. I will slow down the impact a bit.

don't get me wrong the car looks great, but in the case of a roll cage, a badly designed one will kill you in a wreck, it's not better then nothing. those front bars will fold right up on top of you in a bad wreck. not putting his car down, car looks great , just very concerned for a fellow member,because what he thinks is safe may end up killing him.

[russiankid]

If he gets into a car accident that will end up smashing the interior, then I doubt he would survive with or without the cage.

[turabaka]

If he gets into a car accident that will end up smashing the interior, then I doubt he would survive with or without the cage.

I think what lost is trying to say is that instead of just being slightly squished by the car if it rolls over and hits something hard, part of the rollcage is going to break and spear you through the chest instead. The addition of a poorly designed rollcage is the equivalent of adding sharp bits of steel to your car.

[lostforawhile]

I think what lost is trying to say is that instead of just being slightly squished by the car if it rolls over and hits stomething hard part of the rollcage is going to break and spear you through the chest instead. The addition of a poorly designed rollcage is the equivalent of adding sharp bits of steel to your car.

exactly and it's pipe which fractures easy into sharp pieces,thats why they make cages out of chromaloy,it can flex without breaking. a lot of people were killed in early racing before they figured out to make the things out of chromaloy

[Tommy AC89 Thailand]

I don't care any comment this is my car.

[lostforawhile]

I don't care any comment this is my car.

I'm not putting your car down,car looks great Tommy, Just letting you know the roll bar setup like that is dangerous is all, I've done my fair share of racing and I know how a proper setup is supposed to be,

[markmdz89hatch]

ok, we've all said our peace about the safety of the cage. I just feel like we're beating this already dead horse into a messy pulp.

At this point, I'm sure Tommy is well aware that many of us (including myself) think the cage is a great idea, but with fault in its execution. Let's just not harp on it any more than it's already been.

At the end of the day, couldn't it be argued that this is better than nothing. After all, with weak points or not, isn't it just a little more structure being added to the existing structure of the unibody? I mean think about it, there has been NOTHING removed from the 'as factory' structure of the car, this is just an addition to it. I guess it can be argued that if the car were to roll over, the factory body would just crush and you can just hope it doesn't hurt the driver. Whereas, in this case, a roll-over would do that same crush, but the 'crush' would be hindered by the cage. I suppose it can be argued that the stock body would crush more than allowed by the new cage and the driver could remain unharmed, while the crush with teh cage (providing it's great enough to also cause the cage to fail) could end up with the cage harming the occupants?

idk really, but I just feel like we're all pig-piling Tommy here.

[turabaka]

ok, we've all said our peace about the safety of the cage. I just feel like we're beating this already dead horse into a messy pulp.

At this point, I'm sure Tommy is well aware that many of us (including myself) think the cage is a great idea, but with fault in its execution. Let's just not harp on it any more than it's already been.

At the end of the day, couldn't it be argued that this is better than nothing. After all, with weak points or not, isn't it just a little more structure being added to the existing structure of the unibody? I mean think about it, there has been NOTHING removed from the 'as factory' structure of the car, this is just an addition to it. I guess it can be argued that if the car were to roll over, the factory body would just crush and you can just hope it doesn't hurt the driver. Whereas, in this case, a roll-over would do that same crush, but the 'crush' would be hindered by the cage. I suppose it can be argued that the stock body would crush more than allowed by the new cage and the driver could remain unharmed, while the crush with teh cage (providing it's great enough to also cause the cage to fail) could end up with the cage harming the occupants?

idk really, but I just feel like we're all pig-piling Tommy here.

This'll be the last thing I say about this. I'll try and say what lost and I are both thinking.

It's not that it'll cause the car to crush less. It probably will prevent the roof from collapsing. Lost and I aren't worried about that. We're worried that the poorly designed cage will snap at one of the many weak points and spear him through the chest with a 2 inch wide piece of steel. He's basically rolling around now with a bunch of spears shoved into his car.

Other than that the cage looks good Tommy. I would just say don't race with it.

[lostforawhile]

I've had my say too, car looks good, it's his car not mine, I just wanted him to understand about the cage problems. not putting the car itself down in any way it seems he thinks i'm putting the car down.