H22A/F20B PRi Engine Mounts.

[2Fast_Fiero]

I have been talking with PRi for the past 2 weeks and they told me that if I can get 10 Orders of people wanting the H22A engine mounts made and a car in SoCal to prototype the mounts to, they will start manufacturing the 3rd Gen Accord H22A/F20B Engine Swap Mounts. So I need 10 people wanting the mounts, and someone wanting to do this swap that lives in SoCal.

[RobT5580]

I possibly would be interested but i would need more information for example like the hydrolic tranny and how much extra is their kit to convert that portion because that is the major difference besides size of the engine. That would be cheaper than a Type R swap but still remain up there in HP and Torque. Im a little leary on space i would think it will be a pain to work on but i dont know exactly how much bigger it is from a regular B-series.

[carotman]

THe engine will bolt with no problem with a kit.

Now, how much would be the kit????

I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY interested.. :p

Depends of the price tough.

I'm sure it's around 1500 us minimum....

[netfreak]

What I need to know first before ordering mounts is what has to be removed to fit the engine.. If it goes in good (maybe with aftermarket headers for more room) then it's good for me, but I don't want to be removing my PS or something for it.

[88LXi68]

this is a joke. We cant even get 10 people to buy B-series kits and you think your gonna get people to buy h22a/f20b kits? get real. You want a swap put a b-series in. It will be the easiest thing of all the swaps for many reasons.
1) cable trannies
2) you can stay OBD-0
3) the B-series swaps have been done so its not AS rare as it used to be so getting help isnt so hard.

h22a is a cool idea but unless you have 10k plus i dont see it feasible or worth it.

[carotman]

the kit will include the same as the B-series kit......

THe hydro clutch isn't a problem

[88LXi68]

maybe it isnt a BIG problem but you still need a place to mount all the stuff for it. In a car that wasnt EVER equipped with a hydro I think that is kinda tough. This kit might be just as much as a b-series kit if not more, but the fact remains....we cant get 10 for that, how can we get 10 for this? I am not flaming anyone im just giving my opinion.

[netfreak]

Perhaps we need to draw more outside interest.. If the admins approve, I'm probably going to run some classified ads in the local paper advertising 3geez to get more people on here.

[carotman]

The hydro hardware is onli like the size of an apple..... it's basicaly a cable driver master cyl

[1989 DX R]

If it can be done for 6-7k I might be down with it.

[2Fast_Fiero]

I'm trying to talk PRi down on the number of people they want, but I'm doing the same thing with the outside influence on the mounts. I'm gonna go all over town looking for any sort of place I could advertise for this swap, but I dont know about the other things, I'm just talking with them about the Engine mounts, with that things will be alot easier. They said the cost will depend on how hard it is to make the mounts. So I'm gonna keep looking all around the web and places in town to see who wants to be on this list. IF any of you could do the same, that would be cool, but whoever wants to wait on this and help out, email me and I'll start up a list and hopefully we can get to that goal. But remember just to email me with names and contact info on everyone that wants to be in on this. I know its alot to ask because yes it is 10 people and one has to be in SoCal and wanting do to this asap. there is no time on when we need to get the list done, I just need patient people who are interested. Once we get the list done, if we don't have anyone in SoCal wanting to let PRi Prototype on thier car. Then I'll take a few days off and buy the H22A and bring my 87 LXi up there so they can use mine. Don't ask me how I'm gonna do this because thats planing I don't want to do just yet until I get near that goal. I want to get this done. so anyone and everyone please help out and spread the word to anyone you can think of.

[89AccordNate]

You think people are going to drop 7k into a engine? Lets put this into reality-

If we had that kind of money to throw down into a car, do you think the majority of us would be driving a 3g? If we had THAT much money, would your guys cars be more or less stock looking with factory paint? No. If we had that kind of cash then we would have the pimpest rides around, and then do a swap. You WONT find 10 people on this board to do it, period. No one on here can afford the littlist things, you think they can drop that kind of cash? We are mostly all young guys with little to no income. If anyone was going to swap, they would had done a B series a long time ago.

Good luck, but it wont happen.

Nate.

[2Fast_Fiero]

The B series is WAY more expencive Nate. Expencive I mean by a few grand. I've allready talked to like 20 people who have done the H22A swap and the only difference from them and us is they had mounts, we don't. most of them spent $3500 MAXIMUM thats less then any B Series Engine by far. and that did include engine, all the essentials like the trany, all the stock bolt ons to the engine, custom made engine harness, ecu custom made linkage and custom made axles. So look up prices before you get all sceptical. and I'm not just looking on the board like I allready said. I'm looking and advertising EVERYWHERES. Tomorow I'm going to be driving around town with tons of paper work for every race shop I can find, domestic or import, I know there are a few people here with 3Geez and they are looking for more power. I've allready got like 3 people on this board saying they would like to be on the waiting list for these. they have plenty of time to save up if they want to do this swap for the mounts. And on another note, I WOULDNT. I'm going to fix up my new 3G, then buy another one and design it differently. I have fallen in love with the 3geez. And I dont want to drive anything else, unless anyone wants to give me an RX7/300ZX/ or Dodge Viper :P

[night]

i got a groupbuy going through place racing before my dissapearance and not a single person was seriously into it.
you are wasting your time.


and i am putting thousands (i dont really wanna add it all up) into a motor, but my situation is a bit better. my car is 400lbs lighter to start and i dont have to buy all of place racing's overpriced stuff.

[88LXi68]

Ok I am trying to be polite but you just dont get it! The people you have talked to have all put those engines in 90+ Accords where the DROP right in. They could use their stock tranny and computer if they wanted to. What paper work? lol Im sorry but your trting to do something that wont happen.

BTW
JDM b16a complete w/ tranny and ECU lets say $1200
so i believe that is cheaper than your $3500 for an H22a, plus you can but shit for the b16a (cams, n2o, header, etc etc)

[89AccordNate]

Some people are just retarded, and cant understand cars in general. They think that they all are the same on the inside. Obviously people are the same as cars, because I sure as hell wouldnt want to be as dumb as MSI inside my head.

When I see the motor in there, I will give more props then anyone else, until then, keep it off the board unless you have some real information, and not bullshit information like everyone else seems to post on here.

Nate.

[2Fast_Fiero]

Looks like nate has a REALY big problem with me ATEMPTING to get PRi to make mounts for us. May I remind all of you that the H22A engine isn't nearly as expencive as the B series engine, and its more powerful and has alot more potential.......I dont get how people like you, people who say they know this shit and have experenced everything bla bla bla can say that doing this is imposible or stupid or whatever, thats just bull shit, I lose respect for people like you. Such negative attitudes on everything, DAMN! Again I say that I have Plans. Didn't Yasu have a plan for how long did someone say....a year of doing the B20 swap? and I also heard that he did all his research on how to do the swap and everything so he wont be sittin there not knowing wtf to do.....what about Juan? Who has done a B16 swap, SEi rear disc brake conversion......NOS all sorts of cool shit to his 3geez. Justin who had a custom turbo header designed and he turbocharged his A20A motor. People who said a 4th gen body kit WILL NOT WORK...someone made it work with no problems....so laugh it up, I'll be the one with the last laugh and I will tell you I TOLD YOU SO! If people want in on this PRi H22A thing, its not going to be anywheres near as expenvice as a B series, It will be somewhat close. and I will tell you now that it wont cost anything above 5grand unless you rip yourself off and buy an expencive engine. People I know has done this swap to thier cars and didn't have alot of money, they custom made everything, mounts, linkage, axles, engine harnesses. and they have told me that they have spent from the range of 2-3.5grand in the whole swap. I alllready have a few people who want to do this...alot more then I thought I would have at this time, but there is alot of time to wait for everyone to decide or save up or whatever on earth they want to do. the thing is, PRi told me what they want in order to start manufactureing the engine mounts. and I'm going to do my best to make it happen, and when I get to my best point, I'm gonna take that to them and see what they say.

[2Fast_Fiero]

And no, 99.9% of the people I talked to put them in Honda Civics and Honda Integra's. 2 guys did it to a Honda Civic CRX. 1 guy gave me the price he spent for his 94accord H22A, but he only spent $1300. And you are very lucky dude, cause I CANNOT find a B Series engine that can actualy give a stock H22A any sort of competition for anything lower then $4600 for just the motor, and that $3500 is what I'm estimating for the swap.

[YK86]

Kind of off topic but the reason I was doing so much researching was because I was about to buy a "built for turbo" B20A with almost a full point lower in compression and I wanted to change it back to stock so I did alot of asking around to see what I could use without ordering from Japan or overseas so it's not really like I was learning how to get the motor running. I'm not loaded with money so I didn't want to waste alot of money on anything that may not work right (without dishing out more cash). I like to know what I'm about to get into but it's not like I was researching every day for a year. I did alot of asking about a year ago for about two weeks but then did nothing for a very long time.

Now getting back to the main topic, unfortunately, it is going to be VERY tough to get 10 guys for this regardless of it being for a B series or H/F series. I like what you are trying to do but alot of people need to save more money than their car is probably worth to do this. And I remember Night's group buy thing a while back and if I remeber right, there was a few maybe's and no one with a concrete yes.

[YK86]

BTW, when did you become a moderator on Hondasociety????

[babybluaccord]

find out a price i might be interested

[night]

you can keep going for the H22 all you want, i dont care. the only thing thats getting to me is you keep saying the B costs more.

you can build an LS/VTEC for dirt cheap. find a B18A block for 2-300, a 1gen B16 head for 300, a JDM 4.4 tranny for 300-350, and an ecu for 75ish. i will add up everything if someone wants. but it will be a better deal than the H22. in price and potential. the H22 has a very limited aftermarket compared to a B.

and the LS/VTEC will make anyone giddy with the difference from an A20. for 99.9% of the ppl here the H22 is serious overkill. if thats what you want keep going for it, but dont push it on ppl that dont completely understand this scene yet (which is an oddly large % of the ppl on these boards).


as a tip to you, getting those mounts custom welded locally will be immensly cheaper than anything PRI can do. axles will still be expensive, but i recommend a hub swap and using axles from a kit made for it (well, i may have good news on that, if i get around to checking it out). and for gods sake, get the axles and line the motor up before you have the mounts made.
you can plan for the rest of your life and this swap will not be a drop in and go. your car will be down for some time because you will have problems.

[2Fast_Fiero]

I understand that, and I never said I was gonna do this, but it would be nice if any company made mounts for it. And another thing...I don't trust myself in making mounts. Yasu, I became a Mod about 3 days ago. And Babyblueaccord, they said the price will depend on how hard it is to make the mounts. And another thing Yasu, I'm doing the same in a way, I want to know every single little detail about my options in doing an engine swap, I like the sound of a B18 in a way, but I don't care much for the TQ on those engines, I love the sound of the B20Z. and thats another thing I wanna learn from. I just want to be ready. I dont get how you all dont understand that.

[89AccordNate]

Yea, MSi your once again showing your lack of intelligence in the car field. As you stated, none of the guys did the swap in a 86-89 ACCORD. They did them in other cars. Once again, this makes the biggest difference!!!

A h22a drops into a 5th gen with more or less no hassles, its a bolt in swap, nothing more to go.

A crx is tougher but has been done 90 times before. it isnt very popular due to its weight, but once again its a CRX AND NOT AN 86-89 ACCORD.

Im so tired of arguing about this because your so dumb you cant even see that the cars are different. You think that because one guy did it in one car, then its just as easy in our cars..YOUR TOTALLY WRONG!!!!!!!!

Get some real info on it, and quit talking out your ass. You're the type of person that we go "God hes so retarded" off the board.

Nate.

[2Fast_Fiero]

But, like I told Nate, go ahead Laugh at me. I don't give a shit. I know whats going down and I'll be the one lmao@whoever said it could not be done.

<EDIT> Just turn around, go the other way Nate. I am NO LONGER going to listen to your shitty advice any more. You are a very Horible Person. And I pray that one day you will learn your lesson the hard way! <EDIT>