Innovative mount thread - REFUNDS

[nswst8]

phil why are you constantly trying to discourage others from seeing this through? we all know the likeliness of getting anything back is very slim, but a judgement is a judgement and it's not ok for someone to just walk away with 3000+ dollars. which is what i believe is happening here.

I am not trying to discourage anyone from persuing their complaint. I just want to help inform everyone of what the process may be like.

I want everyone to get their money and/or mounts.

I am asking A20A3 a valid question about his lawyers position. And is it possible for others to be represented. I have no interest in persuing legal action until I know for sure a fraud has been committed.

I hear alot of ranting again. And from my experience ranting is only inciting irrational action. I've been thru a few of these. On both sides of the fence.

The one thing I see is that we bear the burden of proof. And this can get costly. And in my opinion no one has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a fraud has been committed.

I have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on lawyers in my life thus far, they have a purpose but they always get paid first.

Now if A203As attorney has a investigator this will be a benefit as it will take an investigator to locate Tommy. His attorney can write a letter to Tommy's fiancee for this information. He might even have to threaten legal action to obtain this information. An investigator can obtain this info faster than attorneys.

[stat1K]

email has been sent
awaiting response

and it wasent that she did not want to be contacted she just did not want here contact info on display

thank you geddy.

[ghettogeddy]

thank you geddy.

no prob

['A20A3']

okay everydbody just be cool. keep this thread as calm as possible please. we got this. i will discuss with my lawyer about getting other parties involved. i have no idea if there would be fees but i can do my best.

but yes. we need to continue contacting WHOEVER we can. his fiance if necessary. it doesnt matter what problems they are having, thats not OUR problem. THEY have caused US a problem, and thats what the point here is. they arent out anything, and we're out 3000+ dollars. so, in order for this to have a resolve, FIRST we need to establish contact. OR at least make SEVERAL DOCUMENTED ATTEMPTS. so, SAVE ALL YOUR EMAILS.

again, lets keep it clean guys.

and phil isnt dicouraging, he is merely pointing out the truth. and thats fine.

But again i will say, this is PRINCIPLE. we must not sit idly by an allow this to happen. who knows? maybe something positive will come out of this through our persistent attempts to contact parties involved.

yes, someone does need to go to the house. period. if i have to take vacation time from work and fly out to where ever, i will. but if there is someone close to the area, and knows him/where he lives, go out there. talk to someone at that house, get me a mailing address so i will be able to send papers to the house regarding this. i will need a mailing address for my attorney for him to send certified mail to them.

regardless we can get a resolve, even if it isnt monetary. we will at least have the resolve of knowing that we didnt let someone rob us of our hard-earned money.

lets start with working on communication attempts with tommy/fiance of tommy. either e-mail, telephone, or in person.

i appreciate everyones support on this. and i thank you 3geez family.

[stat1K]

the mailing address i believe you should have on your paypal account. as well as i believe a phone number and his fiance's name and email.

[nswst8]

okay everydbody just be cool. keep this thread as calm as possible please. we got this. i will discuss with my lawyer about getting other parties involved. i have no idea if there would be fees but i can do my best.

but yes. we need to continue contacting WHOEVER we can. his fiance if necessary. it doesnt matter what problems they are having, thats not OUR problem. THEY have caused US a problem, and thats what the point here is. they arent out anything, and we're out 3000+ dollars. so, in order for this to have a resolve, FIRST we need to establish contact. OR at least make SEVERAL DOCUMENTED ATTEMPTS. so, SAVE ALL YOUR EMAILS.

again, lets keep it clean guys.

and phil isnt dicouraging, he is merely pointing out the truth. and thats fine.

But again i will say, this is PRINCIPLE. we must not sit idly by an allow this to happen. who knows? maybe something positive will come out of this through our persistent attempts to contact parties involved.

yes, someone does need to go to the house. period. if i have to take vacation time from work and fly out to where ever, i will. but if there is someone close to the area, and knows him/where he lives, go out there. talk to someone at that house, get me a mailing address so i will be able to send papers to the house regarding this. i will need a mailing address for my attorney for him to send certified mail to them.

regardless we can get a resolve, even if it isnt monetary. we will at least have the resolve of knowing that we didnt let someone rob us of our hard-earned money.

lets start with working on communication attempts with tommy/fiance of tommy. either e-mail, telephone, or in person.

i appreciate everyones support on this. and i thank you 3geez family.

Now you are beginning to think rationally. Good job.

(I'm so proud wait I think I'm feeling a tear) Joke guys. LAUGH!

[89T]

I have pm'd tommy back and forth since the begining. From when the P.R. mounts were on ebay. Tommy was very passionate in getting the mounts bought, copied and available for the 3geez community. I commend him for doing exactly that.

I feel that he has been honest and up front with everyone until we lost contact with him due to unforeseen circumstances. After talking with his fiancé I feel he is in a position to not be able to respond to any calls, pm's even e-mail... So i'll wait for him to return and iron the situation out. It shouldn't be to much longer.

[2oodoor]

Since I have been reading the forum almost daily I sort of know this was not a scandal. I also know why the person of topic did not use his name on paypal. There is a very good reason for this,and it has nothing to do with the GB or anyone on the board being duped.
I am not going to state this reason because I respect TWOLOUD'S privacy and know how it is.
I will say again, this GB is young, we're only in month 9 from it even being an idea.
Things happen in our lives that dont allow us to stay on our projects 24/7/365 We have familys, jobs, school, and health issues, and yes legal and financial issues. So yes the progress on this has been delayed, big F'n deal. It doenst mean it was given up on.
There are reasons for some of the steps taken here, and just because you do not know them or understand the business plan does not mean you were duped. I am 100 percent sure it was structured for the better of 3gen entheusists, and not to cause financial burden to any one person here.

[stat1K]

edit roodoo's first post, it's not a joke, i was being seious.

['A20A3']

well i put in for a group buy, and i have ZERO product, ZERO refund, and ZERO communication.

soo...i would like my refund so i can personally call Innovative and get my set of mounts. i DO NOT have another $300 to get them, this tommy character has my money. and remember, the longer we wait, if it does turn out to be a scam, none of us will get anything out of it, or be able to file charges due to the statue of limitations. so we cannot wait around too long for this to 'iron itself out'.

[wprocomp]

I am not here to accuse of scandals yet-what makes this entire thing a mess is the fact that we do NOT know when tommy will be back and why money was never paid for the mounts to be sent to us on the supposed september time frame.

I am glad more than a few people can vouch for tommy theres nothing wrong with that,but 90% of the people who bought these mounts do NOT know him-so you can't expect all of us to sit by and take things lightly,if this dude is still gone by this time next year are we supposed to base our trust on this and wait around because he's a "trusted longtime member and e-friends with a few people"-I seriously hope not. If you have knowledge that he will be back soon or a year from now just PM the GB people and give them a headsup on what this situation is so we can stop this bickering and accusations that could have been prevented long ago and actually base this entire mess on something solid.

['A20A3']

PS thank you mark for helping to keep it clean in here. +1 to you

['A20A3']

I am not here to accuse of scandals yet-what makes this entire thing a mess is the fact that we do NOT know when tommy will be back and why money was never paid for the mounts to be sent to us on the supposed september time frame.

I am glad more than a few people can vouch for tommy theres nothing wrong with that,but 90% of the people who bought these mounts do NOT know him-so you can't expect all of us to sit by and take things lightly,if this dude is still gone by this time next year are we supposed to base our trust on this and wait around because he's a "trusted longtime member and e-friends with a few people"-I seriously hope not. If you have knowledge that he will be back soon or a year from now just PM the GB people and give them a headsup on what this situation is so we can stop this bickering and accusations that could have been prevented long ago and actually base this entire mess on something solid.

DITTO. somebody get something solid on this!

[nswst8]

well i put in for a group buy, and i have ZERO product, ZERO refund, and ZERO communication.

soo...i would like my refund so i can personally call Innovative and get my set of mounts. i DO NOT have another $300 to get them, this tommy character has my money. and remember, the longer we wait, if it does turn out to be a scam, none of us will get anything out of it, or be able to file charges due to the statue of limitations. so we cannot wait around too long for this to 'iron itself out'.

Your biggest problem here is information. You have no personal information on Tommy and it is going to take an investigator and/or money to find that information.

I would suggest that in the future that certain information be taken by the moderators for persons interested in oganizing groupbuys on this forum in the future.

Criminal and civil statues apply here. Criminal if you are trying to seek justice in the aspect of jail time. Not sure of the time statue here.

Civil if you are trying to seek monitary compensation. Not sure of California Statues but it should be in the area of 5-7 years in which to file in small claims.

['A20A3']

thank you phil. good info there. okay so there is some time. thats good to hear. i'm out here in Maryland so that why i was unsure of the statues on that.

and as far as that moderator-group buy thing. that is the best idea ever. then there would be concrete ways of handling discrepancies such as this.

has anyone made any contact yet?

['A20A3']

i will keep bumping this thread to the top at least once a day, in the hope that if tommy lurks on or his fiance does, they will see it and hopefully responds. unless someone hits it off with a sticky....

either way i really want to keep it very clearly visible to all 3geezers.



and as of the current situation, i would like to RIGOROUSLY continue to try to make contact, BEFORE going through with litigation.

['A20A3']

WHOEVER has the number of tommy/fiance that has been called before, please PM it to me. it's not in my paypal. i couldn't find a adress either. it looks like it was removed. hmmmmm....i wonder why?

PLEASE HELP!

[ghettogeddy]

WHOEVER has the number of tommy/fiance that has been called before, please PM it to me. it's not in my paypal. i couldn't find a adress either. it looks like it was removed. hmmmmm....i wonder why?

PLEASE HELP!

it was never on mine eather but it does show in others so idk i had it but i did not save it

[stat1K]

ask wprocomp i'm sure he has it saved.

[Rendon LX-i]

Jesus crist....i cant belive this. I would of just waited....but im going to stay out of this..i complety understand the situation here. dont get me wrong but i dont think your going to get SHIT back......personally i would just wait it out but THATS me like i told you guys before. BUT i would try to get ahold of his wife for his full name to call him at the jail he was placed im sure you can get a name some how some place. IF you REALLY need the money you can recieve it BY contacting he or she...but doing all this shit is like FUCK...........lets say im in jail and i get out and i see a big lawsuit against me i would be like WTF...i would blow up and wouldnt do shit for any of you guys for doing what you did......like the few that said CHILL im with them......

Noting more to say. but GOOD LUCK

[LX-incredible]

Jesus crist....i cant belive this. I would of just waited....but im going to stay out of this..i complety understand the situation here. dont get me wrong but i dont think your going to get SHIT back......personally i would just wait it out but THATS me like i told you guys before. BUT i would try to get ahold of his wife for his full name to call him at the jail he was placed im sure you can get a name some how some place. IF you REALLY need the money you can recieve it BY contacting he or she...but doing all this shit is like FUCK...........lets say im in jail and i get out and i see a big lawsuit against me i would be like WTF...i would blow up and wouldnt do shit for any of you guys for doing what you did......like the few that said CHILL im with them......

Noting more to say. but GOOD LUCK

Tell you what, if you're so confident that the guy is coming through, you can buy one or both of my positions in the group buy. Otherwise keep it to yourself.

[LX-incredible]

WHOEVER has the number of tommy/fiance that has been called before, please PM it to me. it's not in my paypal. i couldn't find a adress either. it looks like it was removed. hmmmmm....i wonder why?

PLEASE HELP!

It was removed from their paypal by someone who has access to the account after it was posted on here. I have it saved if you need it.

[ghettogeddy]

It was removed from their paypal by someone who has access to the account after it was posted on here. I have it saved if you need it.

to be honest can you blame her she was getting threating calls after it was posted

[LX-incredible]

Who was threatening her? Wasn't me.

I wasn't saying it was her anyway, just someone with access to the account. For all we know it's tommy, if that's even his name. He's done an excellent job of not leaving any information behind, we don't even know his full name.

[ghettogeddy]

Who was threatening her? Wasn't me.

I wasn't saying it was her anyway, just someone with access to the account. For all we know it's tommy, if that's even his name. He's done an excellent job of not leaving any information behind, we don't even know his full name.

ive meet him before back in 07 known him scenes
always went by tommy

idk if someone how has passion for the 3g like he does would go through that much lies for 3k lol sound sa bit far fetched to me

and i called my self and his fiancée answered its the number for the apartment complex he manges