Drawn through 'Boed a20a2?

[JordanQ]

As the name suggests, I am interested in setting up my 3gee with a draw through turbocharger using the stock carb. anyone had any experience with it? A nice run down of everything needed would be swell..

please no responses along the lines of "why bother when this is better" and the like ;-)

EDIT: i have read the topic on the matter, but can make no sense of any of it. Is all a jumble of arguments.

[Rendon LX-i]

umm.

[JordanQ]

ahh thanks, i'll try that.

[Vanilla Sky]

A new carb is the first thing you'll need. Our stock carbs barely put out enough fuel for just a few mods, much less a turbo. There's a reason you don't see any turbo Keihin 3geez. You really would be better off going EFI. If you must stay with carbs, you could always go DCOE and start thinking about serious power.

[89T]

you need some timing control as well.

[carotman]

The stock carb will not deliver enough fuel for a turbo. You need something else.

[JordanQ]

Thanks for the replys guys. They don't make bigger jets for our keihins? And just kinda throwing this out there as i'm not looking to build the fastest 3gee in the world, but i have an opportunity to rebuild and own a garret t3 and thought i'd put it to some good use. Thanks again

[Vanilla Sky]

Nope, the keihin carbs were never made to be upgraded. Just trash it and install a weber.

There's a reason we don't bother with performance on the keihins before we upgrade the carb. It's a pile of shit.

[Civic Accord Honda]

yeah hte exter cash for a webber 42 should be worth it

[JordanQ]

Well i'm not really finacially inclined at this point. The only reason this is a possible idea is because i have received this turbo for free, and my dad being a machinist, could help me fabricate whatever i needed. Are there any ideal carbs off of any stock vehicles i could find in a junkyard that would work? i'm thinking something along the lines of a 2 barrel carb off an 80's four cylinder ford pickup or mustang or something of the like? Seeing as i would need to fabricate a carb and intake flange, this sounds like a reasonable idea. I do recall some of the 80s 2.3t mustangs being draw-thru turboed.

[Vanilla Sky]

Weber DCOE40 carbs were common at one time. You have to find a matched set, though. If you can find them, they were a popular swap on old Alfas, Fiats, and Triumphs. You can purchase the required manifold from the marketplace here at 3geez.

For the price, you're better off going with fuel injection. There's a reason we do things the way we do around these parts.

[Oldblueaccord]

Might want to look at the Holley 2300 two barrel. Very popular but i dont know about the draw thru turbo parts but its the same flange as the 4 barrel carbs are.

There is some one that ran one here but he got drummed out pretty quick.


wp

[stat1K]

"i don't have money but i want to mod my car" is what i just read... focus on normal things like ball joints and other neglected points on the 3g that could cause your potential death.

[Rendon LX-i]

x2...thats what i said UMMM

[JordanQ]

"i don't have money but i want to mod my car" is what i just read... focus on normal things like ball joints and other neglected points on the 3g that could cause your potential death.

Thanks. Clearly you didn't read the topic i posted a few months ago when i bought the car.

Here it is : https://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68233

Also, here is the paragraph i'm talking about from that topic, "other than the engine, the car is mechanically and cosmeticly sound, its got a new alternator, new CV joints, new wishbones, a new clutch and shaved flywheel, new motor mounts (beyond me why they chose to put A-series in) new front clip, interior is immaculate, its been sanded, and primered, the springs have been cut, but it doesn't have the notorious "ricer bounce"" The kids next task was rebuilding the engine. Apparently he waited a little too long.

The car will get me down the road just fine. Its because i have a garrett t3/4 turbo sitting next to me, and a mill, lathe, and miller TIG welder in my garage, that i am considering this project.

Back to the subject, Vanilla Sky, OldBlueaccord, thank you. I will search up and see if i can find either that weber or holley in any local salvage yards.

Thanks again to all.

[stat1K]

no i'm sorry i don't go trhough peopls threads.

off the topic, what are wishbones? lawl.

[JordanQ]

A-arms. Sorry, i grew up around 70's muscle cars, not Hondas. and people who know everything about 70's-80's muscle cars. not Hondas

I guess i thought someone that knew as much about these cars as you do, would know what kind of suspension is under them.

[cygnus x-1]

Generally speaking, a carb is a carb is a carb. So you can use anything that you're familiar with, assuming you can get it plumbed up. The stock carbs were designed for fuel mileage and low emissions, so they barely have enough flow for the stock engine. A Weber 38 would be a good choice. Fairly common and parts are available. Also very simple and easy to tune. You won't find one in a junkyard though.

You could try something from an older domestic but it would have to be fairly old. By the '80s most of the OEMs were either switching over to fuel injection or were loading up their carbs with electronics and emissions controls. And you don't want that crap.

Keep checking Craig's list end ebay too. There are deals out there if you look hard enough.

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[stat1K]

hahaha, i know quite a lot about the suspension, never heard anyone refer to anything on them as wishbone. you have lca's and uca's though?

really though with no money this is going to be damn near impossible, the accord isn't the platform to really spend "little to no money" on...

[JFern]

i know quite a bit about 60's and 70's cars (built about five now). Never heard of anyone refer to it as a wishbone. Control arm? yes. A-Arm? yes. but everybody has pet names for their own parts. So as for this lets see who penis is bigger b/s, just please stop and take it somewhere else, we are here to build cars not compare inches. (i have been a part of too many forums that just fight, this shouldn't be one of them)

As for trying to get a carb off a stock car to work? good luck, even manufacturers were smart enough to have EFI on their cars for turbo applications (examples? the 80's mustang 2.3L EFI, and the 80' thunderbirds 2.3L EFI, Rx7 turbos are EFI etc.) if you need a carb to do turbo, buy a holley because you can get jets for them easily and just build the flanges and stuff to fit.

[JordanQ]

Really? Yeah my accord has upper and lower control arms. What will cost money besides the carb?

[stat1K]

all of the other parts you will need to do this project PROPERLY...

i guess if you just kind of slap shit together that's fine... but the motor won't take a lot of boost even if it is just a draw through...

checkout www.homemadeturbo.com they had a good draw through setup on a yota truck i believe... if i can find a direct link to it i will...

[JFern]

Really? Yeah my accord has upper and lower control arms. What will cost money besides the carb?

well if you do it right (and considering you said you had only the turbo it self and its in good condition) ..... The carb itself, materials, new parts for the carb (ie jets etc.), gaskets, the tubing for the turbo as well as the oil lines, an exhaust manifold, wastegate, blowoff, intercooler, piping for the intercooler, an ecu flash (unless you are doing a complete standalone) and a bunch of other stuff you won't foresee (because building cars always seems to take 3 times as long and cost 3 times as much)

[JFern]

i guess if you just kind of slap shit together that's fine... but the motor won't take a lot of boost even if it is just a draw through...

oh ya its draw through.... x2 with static (build it right or not at all imo)

[Vanilla Sky]

I do want to point out the infamous Maserati Biturbo. Those are awesome cars if you swap to fuel injection. Even the stock pressurized Webers didn't do well.

I'd pick myself up a $50 LXi or SEi parts car and just swap to EFI. That way you also have a spare motor to mess with. If you were local to me, I have one I'd sell to you for $100.