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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Snooz, I had a 6G ('98), and, while I'd never call an Accord "junk," there was no comparison quality-wise between that car and my SE-i.

    I've posted this before, so I'm just gonna paste it in again:
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    The main difference between people that have reliable old cars and people that don't is that the people with reliable ones do maintenance in advance of failure. If you don't mind being stranded every once in awhile, then you can wait for a part to fail before fixing it. This allows you to get every bit of use out of it, but at the cost of the inconvenience. Me, I go for preventative maintenance.

    Many things will announce themselves in advance before they fail completely. The front end will get progressively more loose before a ball joint fails, a muffler will get louder and louder, etc. For those parts, if you pay attention to what the car is telling you, you can replace them in plenty of time.

    But there are other things that won't give you any warning. Those you should replace on a schedule. Here's some from my list:

    1. Timing belt. If you don’t know when it has been replaced, you should plan on doing it now. If it fails, everything stops. Also do the water pump. Some say if the belt fails you might also bend some valves, but others here say that won't happen.

    2. All hoses. I think they should be replaced every four years, but others say you can go longer. Some are more heat-risked than others, I guess. You can squeeze the big ones to see if they're soft-feeling, or pull one off the radiator and look at the inside (they fail from the inside out). I just go ahead and get them all. Unfortunately, "all" includes about 8 little hoses that go to the idle stabilizer valve and idle air control valve, at least on the f.i. engines. When you or your mechanic flush the cooling system, be sure to tell him to put in Peak antifreeze or something that is bright green, not the yellow stuff. The reason is you need a nice dark coolant to check its level in the overflow bottle, which isn't so easy to see in the best of cases, with light-colored coolant it's really difficult. The water part of the 50/50 mix should be distilled, which you can buy at a grocery store. Make sure your mechanic uses it too, or uses premixed. If you can convince him when he flushes it to use distilled water that's good too, because after flushing and a radiator drain, 40% of the system’s capacity still has water in it. Doing this will pay off in your coolant not getting that rusty look for a lot longer.

    2a. Clean your overflow bottle, so you can best see the level of the coolant in it. Failure to check fluids is high on the list of things not to do on old cars. The 3G does not make it easy, with a low obscure mounting point, but if you have a clean bottle and a flashlight, it's very do-able. See my posts on how to clean the bottle (take out the battery, the battery tray, the bottle, and swab it out with some phosphoric acid. Takes an hour or so).

    3. Thermostat. Do with the hoses. It isn't expensive. You might as well get the temperature sensor (I think it's called the TW sensor or somesuch) that's near the thermostat too. When it starts to go the engine won't run right and finally won't start.

    4. Auto tranny fluid. Use Honda OEM. Don't delay on this as there's probably some crud in there already, and a tranny fix is expensive. Manual tranny...use Honda fluid also. Change every 15k miles or so, but in practice you can probably do it when you change a drive shaft. If I get a torn boot, I myself put in a whole new shaft at that point, and I use rebuilt-by-Honda OEM shafts. More expensive, but you know what you're getting, compared to the "who's building it now?" imports.

    5. Plugs, plug wires and air filter. Change the oil every 3k miles, and do it yourself – you can buy the ramps so you can get under there. There are three reasons to do this: (1) save some money and get a decent filter (don’t buy Fram) (2) Keep some idiot at an oil change place’s hands off your oil drain plug. If he strips it, you have a problem that you don’t want to have (3) You can look around under there and check things out. Oil-wise, some here put in synthetic and say it makes a difference. I don't use it myself. You can get very involved in oil discussions with passionate people if you wish.

    6. Buy a big bottle of Techron and put it in the gas every couple of thousand miles when you fill up. You might want to use two bottles with two consecutive tanks of gas, if you haven’t used it before . Techron is the best to clean the fuel injectors I think.

    7. Go under the car and check the rubber booties that are at the inboard and outboard ends of the driveshafts. If the boots are torn that means that sand etc. has gotten into the cv joints, and they need to be inspected and repacked with grease. Clicking during low speed turns is the symptom. The boots need to be replaced if they're torn of course.

    8. Check the ball joints for wear. There are 6 of them, 4 on the front and two on the back. Learn how to check them yourself or have your mechanic do the simple check when you’re having other stuff done. If a ball joint fails, well, think of your arm coming off at the shoulder, except it’s your front wheel. Nuff said.

    9. Look at the bushings for the stabilizer bar, radius rods, and control arms. Check the steering rack for leaks, and never use anything but Honda power steering fluid, or at least fluid that specifically says it's for Honda..you will have big trouble if you use the wrong type. Look at the brakes and the wheel cylinders for dry rot. Replace the brake fluid, which should be done every 2 years, as it absorbs water.

    10. If you're really into preventative maintenance, you might replace the main relay, as the solder develops micro-cracks...the car will get progressively harder to start. The install is a bit of a chore, but see the plentiful posts here on how to do it. There are two versions, for the f.i. and carbed cars. I don’t know if the carbed cars have the same issues.

    11. Take a look at the radiator.

    12. Does the battery have a date on it? If it’s 4 years old, get a new one before it fails on you in the winter. Take the wires off the battery posts (remove the ground wire first and put it on last, the reason being that if the ground is connected and you mistakenly short the positive post to the car with a wrench, you will produce a big spark and probably blow the alternator....don't even think about what can happen if you connect a battery backwards!). Buy a battery post/clamp cleaner thingy and thoroughly clean the post and the clamps. Get a set of those red/green felt circles that go around the posts so you won't get a buildup of corrosion.

    13. Take a look at the ground wires. There's one from the valve cover to the front of the car, but mainly look at the main one from the battery to the frame. Take it off, and clean the end and where it attaches. Replace the wire if it looks rusty, and use a nice big thick gauge.

    14. Check the tail lights for water pooling in the bottom of the units. Their seals leak. I use gutter tape on my sedan so the water draining from the trunk lid gutters goes over the tail lights as opposed to down across their inside face. If you have a leak, eventually the water will get high enough inside to short the bulbs and make an unsightly watermark.

    15. Clean the sunroof rear drains. When they get blocked the water pools in the sunroof cutout, and when you put on the brakes you get a shower down the back of your neck. The drains are reached by taking out the trunk liners and cleaning out the plastic tubes that drain out behind the wheel wells. Use a panel-popping tool sold in auto stores to get the buttons out, using a screwdriver will make a mess.

    16. Replace the pitiful sealed beam OEM head lights with Hella's, so you can use a nice replaceable bulb by PIAA or Sylvania. That way, you can actually see where you're going at night. Most of the replacement headlights on eBay are junk. Don't put higher wattage headlight bulbs in without a relay circuit, you'll cook the headlight switch.

    17. When your driver's window starts not wanting to go up, it might be the switch, as that's the one that gets the most use, but is probably the coil in the auto-drop controller, which is behind the door panel. Eventually, you won't be able to raise the window at all. There are posts on here on how to install a new one.

    18. Check the tires and get some decent ones if they're worn. Get an alignment.

    19. I bought a tool box and have in it a set of tools including a metric 1/4" drive socket set, all types of pliers, one of those 4 in-one screwdrivers, a spare headlight bulb, taillight bulbs (actually there's a clip for a spare tail light bulb on the inside of the covers to access the bulbs). Get some assorted spare fuses, a Maglight-quality flashlight (plus a small Maglight for the glove box). A quick tire repair kit. There's probably more stuff in there I can't remember now.

    20. Buy a couple of those reflective triangles or flares, in case you get stuck at night on a dark curvy road.

    21. Eventually you will leave on your headlights and run down the battery, or you will get a flat. I bought one of those jump starters / air compressors (a good one, prob cost $75) and keep it lashed to the inside of the trunk. It's bailed me out a couple of times, and I've been a good samaritan more than that. Cheap insurance, and an easy way to be a hero to those who are not prepared and would be up Shit Creek if not for you.


    Remember, a reliable car is a product of the original manufacturer (ours is GREAT, of course) and constant diligence. We drive old cars, and things are always needing attention. Keep your eyes and ears open, and your 3G will reward you with hundreds of thousands of happy motoring miles.
    Last edited by w261w261; 10-21-2009 at 02:28 PM.



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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    This is the car that fell through the cracks in the evil planned obsolescence scheme of product manufacturers.
    I've only been stranded by my 3Gs twice. Let me rephrase that, I've only let my 3Gs down twice in almost 20 years of driving 3G Accords. Once was heater hose failure, the other CV joint related.

    w261w261
    A great list of things to consider and carry out. Look after your 3G and it will look after you.

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    w261w261, THANK YOU!

    I just got my 3geez a month ago, and I've piled 2500 miles on it already. I've been looking for some type of guideline like what you posted cuz I've never owned a car this old. It's got 132,500 now, and my owners manual only goes up to 90k for the maintenance schedule

    I just printed it out & checked off stuff I've already done, and I'll be checking the other stuff tomorrow. If any of you guys know of what else to expect to have done, I'd gladly appreciate your posts.

    Oh yeah, random question, are any of you guys in the South OC area in SoCal?

    168k & climbing...

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    I have 523,000 miles on my '89 Accord DX (carb'd). So what do you want to know? I follow the maintenance schedule in the owners manual and do fluid and filter stuff religiously, but more often than the book calls for. The manual calls for over 35 items to change/inspect from oil and filter to brake fluid. I do 'em all, even if I think it's not needed. For example . . . I check the valve clearance every 15,000 as recommended and have never had to adjust my valves. But this DOES get me inside the valve cover to see how much dirt is sticking to the valve train (none with frequent oil changes!) allows me to avoid valve cover gasket leaks (change it if it looks "iffy") and so forth. Like brake fluid . . . simple to change and flush when you're rotating tires, cost under $10, never had a wheel cylinder or master fail in 21 years/520,000 miles. I changed to 20W50 at around 275,000 miles, leaks less than 10W40 and very little smoke . . even now at this mileage. do you have the manual? Page 73 is the maintenance schedule. Good luck with the car. Check your suspension and change bushing at this mileage . . . a safety issue for certain. Rocketman

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    132,500???.... lol your car is still young compared to most of the cars on here
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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Quote Originally Posted by 88lxi-shortram View Post
    132,500???.... lol your car is still young compared to most of the cars on here
    Ha ha, yeah. I guess I match my car. I admit, total n00b here. The most I've done to any car is change the battery and change the alternator.

    I'm signing up for auto classes next semester just so that I can start working on mine from then on.

    Rocketman, it's a 5 speed, and I was told that the suspension is stock. Thing is, I've had one mechanic recommend that I replace them, and another said that it's fine. I know I'm new, but the suspension feels solid and the car corners with barely any body lean. The car doesn't have that floaty or bouncy feeling that my others had when their suspensions were going out. What do you think?

    But yeah, I'm taking you guys on your advice from experience. This one's a keeper for me, I wanna keep it going. Now if I can only find some OEM louvers...
    168k & climbing...

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Nice hatch, man, and thanks for the replys, guys! I gotta get crackin' on that shit, but its freakin cold lol. How i wish i had a garage.

    we're in agreement the cars are awesome, but i just noticed, ive actually NEVER seen a 3gee on a tow truck... any of you guys ever see one? Aside from my 87, which i coulda drove to the scrapper anyway i havnt seen any on a tow truck.
    170 156.5km | 12 348.6km

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Quote Originally Posted by 88lxi-shortram View Post
    132,500???.... lol your car is still young compared to most of the cars on here
    you should see my car, 41,000 miles...


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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Your list of preventative matenence: Drive it more! haha.. I have 163000km.. So, 101k miles. We own children. LoL. I bought the car at 98 057miles though, some 157 808km... Anyway, it seems im just outside the matenence Scedule Honda made up, anyway lol. Love these cars to death, tho.

    Heres a good one for the north/canada/Quebec ESPECIALLY. RUST PROOF. You can tell the non-rustproofed cars from the rustproofed cars around here .... The rustproofed ones are solid, and the non-rustproofed ones are orange. Im about to rustproof my accord for the first time in its life... it seems im going to have to drive it this winter.
    170 156.5km | 12 348.6km

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    You have to be careful with the suspension of this generation honda . . . . failure could cause the wheel to fold under the car in the rear and collapse and simply collapse in front, neither is a good thing. Easily checked, get it up on a rack and go over it front to rear, looking for "play" and loose suspension. It should be tight and immovable. for the most part. Look for bushings which have deteriorated. I'd check mine if it was over 10 years old and had over 100k on it . . . my whole suspension has been checked and bushings replaced, not really expensive but time intensive. Rocketman

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    You have to be careful with the suspension of this generation honda . . . . failure could cause the wheel to fold under the car in the rear and collapse and simply collapse in front, neither is a good thing. Easily checked, get it up on a rack and go over it front to rear, looking for "play" and loose suspension. It should be tight and immovable. for the most part. Look for bushings which have deteriorated. I'd check mine if it was over 10 years old and had over 100k on it . . . my whole suspension has been checked and bushings replaced, not really expensive but time intensive. Rocketman
    I'll prolly get to that next since I drive a lot. Thanks
    168k & climbing...

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    Re: High Mileage maintenance

    I am new too the site, my 89 accord LX sedan is packin over 300 grand on her, I would know more accurate numbers if my speedo didnt break a little while ago. Anyways shes still driving daily. I just use the regular oil that is reccomended in the manual and add some of that lucas oil treatment, she purrs great.

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