i think when the 3g came out they opened a huge american factory in the south
I <3 this thread...![]()
iknorite.
dead white and blue
dude!!!!!!!! you got a facepalm![]()
I just find it unbelievable that some people are so hard headed...
At the same time its nice to see that some people still have common sense...
Not many make that much power N/A, I think my point was that its way easier and cheaper to make decent power out of an N/A D. For that matter, with the exception of Rich, there are 0 A guys making decent power N/A. Not arguing with you about the turbo aspect at all though, I think i even said that a mild turbo A-series would be way cheaper than D, and powerful, because our stock internals are WAY better.
Oh and no one is arguing that swapping an A for a D is like swapping an apple for an apple. Unless the other apple is just that much more appealing to you, whats the point?
You did though...
ahaha im so glad i posted this thread...
now im strongly conssidering rebuilidng my a20 im almost positive im not gunna swap the D in my car now and im still thinking about the Ls motor i have but with the shape its in it might start getting pretty sppendy but either way now the choice i make is gunna be spendy bcuz rebuilding the a20 couldnt be much cheeper than doing the swap
Rebuilding the A will be cheaper no matter what.
D-series. Custom mounts, axles, linkage, wiring, etc etc etc. Very expensive, no gains (to be spoken of)
B-Series. Innovative Mounts (350), New axles, made from existing parts (200), Custom wiring, linkage, etc etc etc. Still expensive, not MUCH gain per dollar.
Rebuilding the A. Spend 600 on headwork, 600 on bottom end parts, If your mechanically inclined enough to rebuild it yourself and you will have a badass A.
My buddy just blew his 300hp z6....rod bearing just couldnt hang with 30psi LOL. but it DID last awhile...
It was the vatura Build.....
O i dynod over 130 LOL. boosted. if i had a better flowing exhuast or bigger i would of pushed 200hp easy with that tinny ass T25.
Ill have to agree. IF you have a civic Stick with a D and do a vatura build and make 300 easy but if you have a 3g no use...you wont gain shit. YES you well after you fork out the money for the swap and custom mounts exc.
200+ ALL MOTOR LS VTEC
Rendon, you only dyno'd 130hp? Damn dude, even Roach put down that on his N/A build!
Oh yeah while we're on the topic of N/A A-series builds. Remember that Openloops car put down over 160hp on the dyno (roughly 190BHP) with a pretty damn cheap build (what did he do, cam, weld the chambers, and bolt shit on). Roach put down 131hp which is roughly 160BHP, with a stock ECU and some 1mm oversize exhaust valves. I mean you're well over B16 territory with minor work and quality modifications. Far cheaper than any engine swap.
NO i said OVER 130...i did 175tq and 167hp...you where there LOL....come on john....WITH BOOST thou...N/a i never dynod so i cant tell you. but i was around the same as roach...i was right there with the b16s....so i know i was close to that range in power......
200+ ALL MOTOR LS VTEC
right but my point was both of these mods you list here are a bigger deal than camming a motor and installing a different cam gear. i forgot to mention with bone's build over on d-series he made 130hp, ran a 13.98, and got 50mpg with his tune.
not everyone here is going to pay to machine a head for oversized valves, nor is everyone going to weld their combustion chambers... wasn't the openloop car obd1 also? that's another big step i know because i gathered parts with angus to make his first setup with the adapter plate. so you can argue but i'm not going to agree, we should all know that about me right?
as for the vitara build making 300 on 30psi? what was wrong with the motor or his equipment? my buddy dyno'd 276whp in his rex with a really nice curve and he was only on 11psi.
dead white and blue
13.98 on 130hp? Not that I don't believe you, but what? Was the car super mega gutted and on slicks??
^ yep. bone is also the transmission guru for all of d-series, he builds them for bisi's car... that should give you an idea...
edit: realized i typed it wrong, 14.98 is what i meant to type... i thought it was weird for you to question me but then i reread what i wrote... 14.98 was his fastest time, he consistantly runs 15 flat with the setup.
Last edited by stat1K; 01-13-2010 at 08:17 AM.
dead white and blue
well, that's because it's never gonna happen roodoo, like most of the threads in this section. i'm sure i probably have one somewhere too.
it really wouldn't be that hard to do, nothing more than a b-swap obviously... wiring would be the same for the most part, axles would be close but with no intermediate shaft unless you had a zc motor and trans setup, plus it would be cheap if you could build mounts yourself as a motor and trans can be had most places for around 300-400 in good shape or 100 in blown head gasket or smoking shape.
dead white and blue
So, a soulful engine in a soulless car...
Bookmarks