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[InAccordance]

/suprised pikachu face

Guess I'm staying in Tennessee for the rest of my life

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

You got it, I'm in Nevada.

Okay
While following the instructions in my Haynes manual I have checked the timing and I can not see the mark, I have checked that they are there and I even re-marked it to make sure it is visible but no matter how I angle the light, move the distributor or rev the engine I can not see the mark with the timing light..

[Shane86]

/suprised pikachu face

Guess I'm staying in Tennessee for the rest of my life

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

Here is the pictures of the timing belt lined up.

[Shane86]

Here is the pictures of the timing belt lined up.

It's kind of hard to tell from these pictures but it appears that everything is lined up. What kind of distributor is it the original or a remanufactured

[Shane86]

And when the gears are lined up is the fixed pointer at the T mark on the flywheel

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

No, the+ mark on the flywheel (I'm assuming is the T mark you are referring to) does not line up.

[Shane86]

Sometimes there's two marks a t Mark and usually sometimes a circle approximately 15 degrees before top dead center. If it's not line up on the flywheel the timing is most likely off . So line up the mark on the flywheel and see where your cam gear sits

[Shane86]

Attachment 9630

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

This is the cam gear with the flywheel mark lined up.

[Shane86]

This is the cam gear with the flywheel mark lined up.

I need you to pull the camera back a little bit and take a picture I can't tell. I need to see the whole cam gear

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

Not enough room there for that, the silver line back there is the valve cover gasket and the grove on the right on the cam gear is the grove that needs to be lined up with the top of the head.

[Shane86]

You can rest the camera on the driver side fender and take a picture.

[Shane86]

Before I can tell you to change the cam gear timing I need you to roll through the flywheel and be sure the only Mark you see is the cross

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

there is another mark, it has the number15 above it. According to the manual, that is the mark it should be on when setting the timing.

[Shane86]

I assume that's the 15 degrees before top dead center mark when the distributor fires. I assume you come up to the 15 first before the cross

[Shane86]

Put it on the 15 and see were the cam gears at

[Shane86]

there is another mark, it has the number15 above it. According to the manual, that is the mark it should be on when setting the timing.

The distributor fires 15 degrees before top dead center your cam gear needs to be lined up at top dead center not 15° before

[InAccordance]

Thank you.

[Oldblueaccord]

You got it, I'm in Nevada.

Okay
While following the instructions in my Haynes manual I have checked the timing and I can not see the mark, I have checked that they are there and I even re-marked it to make sure it is visible but no matter how I angle the light, move the distributor or rev the engine I can not see the mark with the timing light..

Setting the spark timing The car needs to be warmed up and the idle set at 750 or lower. The vacuum lines to the vacuum advance need to be plugged or pinched off. You should then see the marks with the light hooked to the #1 spark plug. Higher RPMS or vacuum advanced hooked up may make the spark timing advanced and you wont be able to see it with a light the window is too small.

The cam and crank timing is different then the spark timing although they are related. The cam and crank are MECHANICAL timed. the cam needs to be lined up at TDC with the crank. TDC is the #1 piston at the top of its stroke. The camshaft has the intake and exhaust valves closed on the #1 cylinder at TDC. This is MAX compression and this is what you want.

Since the distributor runs off the cam if the cam is off the spark timing can be off as well.

Bit confusing but take one at a time you can figure it out.

EDIT: adjusting the distributor; advance timing the idle goes up retard the timing the idle goes down.

[Dr_Snooz]

The People's Democratic Republic of California also requires ancient cars to pass smog. Though enough people have complained to my Assemblyman that he's working on fixing that. Or so he says.

[Dr_Snooz]

This is the cam gear with the flywheel mark lined up.

This is a tooth off.

[1989_3rdGenAccord]

Okay, I discovered my problem. I was trying to line up the cam with the crank but it turns out that the tdc mark on the flywheel does not line up with the crank mark therefor causing my problem.
I have now lined up the tdc mark on the flywheel lined up with the cam and the rattle has 98% disappeared but when I use the timing light, I still can't see the timing mark on the flywheel and although it runs better still have the misfire. I will try some sea foam in the intake tomorrow. What does that mean when the crank doesn't line up with the timing mark on the flywheel? Anybody know?

[Oldblueaccord]

you make it line up. You turn the crankshaft untill the mark lines up with the pointer. Then set the cam.

sounds like you are alot closer. I would move the distributor until you can catch the mark and see where you are at either too much advance or to much retarded. Im guessing with a misfire your retarded.

Remember both vacuum lines going to the distributor need to be pinched off. I WOULD NOT pull them since its very easy to break that little nippple off. Timing is off spark plug wire #1.

Wouldnt hurt to start with some new NGK V groove or cooper plugs and verify the spark plug wires are good, clean the contacts on the inside of the cap with some fine sand paper. Usually Friday night tune up stuff.

[Dr_Snooz]

The timing procedure for these cars is complicated and covers 3 whole pages in the manual, starting on p. 24-6. It's worth reading through carefully so you understand what you are doing and what you are looking for.