Might be a dumb question, but I'm thinking of adding some Lucas oil additive (1/2 quart proably) when I refill my case after draining it to replace my cv axle. Good idea? Bad idea?
Might be a dumb question, but I'm thinking of adding some Lucas oil additive (1/2 quart proably) when I refill my case after draining it to replace my cv axle. Good idea? Bad idea?
Last edited by wh1skea; 09-28-2010 at 09:06 AM.
1986 Accord LXi 3-door
1968 Chevy C20
I don't know about the Lucas oil additive, but you may want to check this out
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm
First question is whether you have a problem with the transmission. Assuming that it is not, that you just want some extra piece of mind, a while ago I used this additive for the manual trans on my 93 Civic
http://www.lubegard.com/C-197/LUBEGA...uid+Supplement
It comes from the same company that makes the additives for auto trans. I got that at NAPA, and I added that to the engine oil I used for that drain and refill. I did not note anything special; the transmission worked fine before and worked fine after. But I would give it credit based on what I saw with the product they sell for the auto trans; a noticeable smoother gear shifting.
Many people in the forum swear by the Honda MTF. If you have a dealer nearby I would suggest getting it. I have used synchromesh in that trans after changing that oil and I can tell it works fine; probably Honda MTF is not that different.
Bottom line: unless you have a problem don't reinvent the wheel and play safe. Get the Honda MTF. You may try what I did as a second best
If it ain't broke... I fix it!
Thanks. Guess it'll be just good ole 10W-30 like the service manual says. I do have a Honda dealer just about 5 miles down the road, but they aren't open on Sunday and I'll need the car for first thing Monday.
1986 Accord LXi 3-door
1968 Chevy C20
I read lucas, and that's it. Never ever ever use it in anything you want to keep.
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You can use the additive I showed you in my post. That will add some gear additives that engine oil does not have but taking care of the brass parts in the transmission too. NAPA sells it if you ask.Originally Posted by wh1skea
If it ain't broke... I fix it!
Use what the owner's manual says, or buy Honda MTF and drain and refill. I've been using it since I got the car at 84k (2001). I now have 230k and every gear is fine, so is it the Honda fluid or would 10w-30 been just as good. Beats me, but if I were you I'd go with the Honda stuff.
I use Mobil one 10w -30 so if you need something quick that make it too. I got my original trans.
wp
1988 Lxi owner since August 1995
336k miles running strong!
Now running E85.
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10w30 is fine but fill through the vss. that's been my understanding. i use penzoil synchromesh in my civic, it does great.
dead white and blue
Why do you fill through the VSS? How would you know the proper level?
you take out the fill plug on the side of the tranny, get one of those oil spouts with the long plastic hose, stick it in the fill hole and fill it until fluid starts to come out. it can't overfill with the fill plug out, proper level is just on the edge of the plug, you should be able to stick your finger in there, and feel oil
Yeah I know how it works through the fill hole. I was just wondering why you'd want to fill through the VSS. He made it seem like it was a good idea, and usually he knows what he's talking about.
fill through the vss so that you don't underoil any of the gears. i've never been able to get 1.9 qt's into my d-series tranny by filling through the fill hole. i can put 2 qt's in and be done through the vss, takes about 5 minutes.
you ever wonder why most of the accords burn out fifth gear or reverse first? it's from under oiling, lx-incredible has told me about guys who jack up one side of their 4x's just to get more oil in the diff case, similar concept applies here.
dead white and blue
Makes sense. Thanks. I'll probably do that next time.
What is the VSS?
Its the place where the speedometer cable goes into the trans. Its a sensor on top there that monitors the speed and feeds it back to the ECU. If your cable comes undone you will get a code.
wp
1988 Lxi owner since August 1995
336k miles running strong!
Now running E85.
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the one on top of our transmissions has nothing to do with the vss, it's the govenor for the power steering assist, the vss is in the speedometer head and is driven by the cable from the transmission. even the carb cars have one and the speed sensor amplifier built in, on the carb cars it drives the cruise control and there's a sensor that tells the computer when the car is going over 5 miles an hour
Lost your right I got the wrong end of the cable in my mind.
wp
1988 Lxi owner since August 1995
336k miles running strong!
Now running E85.
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you don't want to be pulling the end of the speedometer gear out of the sensor all the time, it can be hard to get it just right and the clip locked, what you need is one of these, or the type that screws on to the end of the oil bottle. just take out the plug and stick the hose in the hole, when the oil stops running down the funnel it's full, it's going to make some mess when you pull out the hose, but how often do you fill the transmission?
Nevermind.
Last edited by Dr_Snooz; 09-26-2010 at 09:35 AM.
Dr_Snooz
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1989 Honda Accord LX-i Coupe, 240k miles, MT swap, rear disc swap
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it's just a different kind of vss i guess, most cars today the vss is electronic we have a mechanical one and an electronic one. the mechanical one with the hoses doesn't have any kind of sensors or anything. It regulates pressure to the steering rack, once you are going over about 15 all power assist is cut off. it cuts of gradually up to that speed. It was one of Honda's big innovative ideas. variable assist power steering
Last edited by lostforawhile; 09-26-2010 at 09:38 AM.
i will only use honda fluid because i ran 5w30 semi blend and our trans didnt like it and when i used the honda fluid it restored it and made it shift good
1989 Honda Accord LX-i
B18c1 swap since 7/2011
175whp and 132tq
Redzone tuned
Can you be more specific?
Dr_Snooz
"I like to take hammers, and just break stuff, just break stuff." - Beavis
1989 Honda Accord LX-i Coupe, 240k miles, MT swap, rear disc swap
Shop manual downloads available here: CLICK TO VIEW
The shifting is cleaner, and it's better for the syncros. When I ran regular oil in mine the shifting was really tight, and just didn't feel right. Honda fluid fixed all that.
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^ I concur. It might be placebo effect, but I've found that MTF has made a few of my transmissions shift better than with the old oil that was in them. It significantly reduced grinding in my old transmission in the 81. When I first got it, it had slight grinds into 2nd and 3rd. They went away with the MTF for about a year and a half. I'd say it extended the life of the transmission somewhat.
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