whipped by hyundai

[countryson]

so i have an 89 lxi 4dr 5spd, bone stock 260,000miles. My buddy has a 05 hyundai elantra 4dr 5spd, he has a short ram and a mufller tip and round 130,000miles. We were goofin round earlier and he pretty much whipped me. On the bottom end I can pull ahead, when hit the higher revs he pulls on me bot a car length and holds it. I guess all thing considered thats not all that bad, but i will not stand for this SO, do yall think a short ram and full exhaust would level the playin field? Im dunno how well these little guys respond to mods

[vteckiller]

so i have an 89 lxi 4dr 5spd, bone stock 260,000miles. My buddy has a 05 hyundai elantra 4dr 5spd, he has a short ram and a mufller tip and round 130,000miles. We were goofin round earlier and he pretty much whipped me. On the bottom end I can pull ahead, when hit the higher revs he pulls on me bot a car length and holds it. I guess all thing considered thats not all that bad, but i will not stand for this SO, do yall think a short ram and full exhaust would level the playin field? Im dunno how well these little guys respond to mods

if you want the most easiest cheapest performance, get a short ram or full cold air intake, exhaust no bigger than 2.5''-3.'' high flow cat, paceshitter headers. all that should be like, 100$ for the cai setup, 100-200$ for exhaust setup, 100-160$ for headers, so a total of around 300-460$ if you get deep go b16 intake mani, obd1 conversion, portmatch the intake to the head, port match the headers to the block.. get it cleaned up and run 83mm pistons i think stock oem are 83mm? or its 82.7mm cant remember. anywho many ways.. gotta keep in mind the key is flow, in, and out. the right amount..

[2oodoor]

excellant answer


the elantra has around 138 hp, If I had to guess, you would wind up around 145 with ALL those listed mods. Weight reduction helps tremendously, every lb counts in a car this size.

[rjudgey]

Lol can't be having that! hehe!
What the others said really but concentrate on weight, light weight 15" wheels with some nice tyres too.
Exhaust if on the cheap get a later model Cast 4-2 section then a custom downpipe with 2" downpipes, and a 2.25" system with mandrel bends, if you can run without a CAT do it loses you 5-10bhp otherwise. CAI with nice long tubing large size with big air filter on the end of it, fuel pressure regulator and up it a tiny bit. With that kind of mileage it's really worth thinking about a engine rebuild. oversize 83mm pistons new rings and bearings and skim the head and block down a bit to boost CR ratio. Also I'd seriously consider a camshaft regrind Bisi stage 2 would give you a nice boost with all the other mild mods without wrecking your idle and driveabillity. Also I take it this is a manual? Please don't tell me it's auto! lol!

[Dr_Snooz]

What kind of gas mileage does he get with that Hyundai?

[vteckiller]

uhg bisi products.. overrated!! Buy a delta cam and be just as happy if not happier.

[countryson]

Of course its a manual, thats the only way to have a vehicle. i think he gets around 25ish, i pulled down 27 on the last tank, driving like a maniac everywhere.

I was planning on the full exhaust, what muffler would yall recomend? i want throat not buzz, would a glasspack as a resonator help get rid of said buzz? I will admit his hyundai does not have (thank god) is buzz. And a cam was in the plans too. How much does a delta run?

on the bright side i have more room in my car than he does
And i hold over his head my truck is faster than his car \

[RAZR]

You will be surprised how much just a cat back exhaust will do for these cars when i got my 2.5 cat back with a 40 series flowmaster it revved much smoother and accelerated like nothing else.
I would go with that and a short ram.

[hondalude86]

To be honest i woukd recommend a 2 1/4 inch eshaust. All mandrel bends of course. Im not sure if vteckiller is joking or serious, but youll end up spending more than he said on a few mods. I welded the exhaust together my self on my coupe, with a really nice dual tip muffler and cheap 32" glasspak and my exhaust sounds great but set me back 250 bucks. Do NOT get a 3" ricer exhaust. If you did all the above mods, youd still be heavily restricted by the header collector size, which is 2" on most of what you can get. Im running a vibrant muffler btw. Cam with some advanced timing and a header as well as an exhaust and pretty much any intake will wake that car up! Or break it!

[2oodoor]

i want throat not buzz, would a glasspack as a resonator help get rid of said buzz? \

there is already a glasspack resonator up by the cat oem...
also on my dohc I have a 32 inch (2.5 id) glass pack in place of the oem resonator and cat, 2.25 pipes plus a 2.5 in and out standard muffler at the rear and it has a raspy sound when you gas it, a very quiet raspy sound.
Im not sure if there is some spot welds loose inside the rear muffler making that sound or if it is the glasspack doing that. Typically glasspack tube style mufflers to create that bubbly effect on V8 cars though. I had a crimped style glasspack on it before with the sohc and it just had a low burp on a loop sound lol.
Inside the car I cant hear it at all though, I have to be up next to a wall or bridge to hear that.

A little more ignition advance would probably get that sprint down low for ya like hondalude said.

[Dr_Snooz]

I would recommend that you get your mileage back up to the 30+ it should be and then laugh at your friend for his inefficient car.

[vteckiller]

To be honest i woukd recommend a 2 1/4 inch eshaust. All mandrel bends of course. Im not sure if vteckiller is joking or serious, but youll end up spending more than he said on a few mods. I welded the exhaust together my self on my coupe, with a really nice dual tip muffler and cheap 32" glasspak and my exhaust sounds great but set me back 250 bucks. car up! Or break it!

go to the muffler shop and ask for scraps, or if they have mess ups, super cheap and a test pipe instead of the cat, and the muffler running around 50-75$

[vteckiller]

How much does a delta run? \

deltacam.com ?

[RAZR]

deltacam.com ?

Theres no info on the site about price.

[Tdurr]

When i got my 272 cam it was like 86+shipping. Pretty cheap imo.

[RAZR]

When i got my 272 cam it was like 86+shipping. Pretty cheap imo.

How long ago was that?

[vteckiller]

im sure if they where that cheap there only like $150 usd now max.

[DBMaster]

89 Honda Accord + 300ft cliff = 200mph.

I don't know of any cheaper way to make these cars fast. Of course, the way people drive around here I don't need a fast car. I need a Terex Titan.

[MessyHonda]

lets not forget about OBD1 swap. a good tune can help any motor

[vteckiller]

lets not forget about OBD1 swap. a good tune can help any motor

oh yes obd1 setup then a dyno after you do all those after market parts, lets not forget the stage 3 clutch with the light fly wheel, lsd conversion, get that valve a 5 angle grind, might as well get the 4g accord distributor cause your obd1. get bigger injections... maybe some more..

[RAZR]

This seems like alot of stuff just to beat an elantra.
i think if you get and 2.5 mandrel bent cat back exhaust with a good muffler and a short-ram intake you will beat him.

[2ndGenGuy]

there is already a glasspack resonator up by the cat oem...
also on my dohc I have a 32 inch (2.5 id) glass pack in place of the oem resonator and cat, 2.25 pipes plus a 2.5 in and out standard muffler at the rear and it has a raspy sound when you gas it, a very quiet raspy sound.
Im not sure if there is some spot welds loose inside the rear muffler making that sound or if it is the glasspack doing that. Typically glasspack tube style mufflers to create that bubbly effect on V8 cars though. I had a crimped style glasspack on it before with the sohc and it just had a low burp on a loop sound lol.
Inside the car I cant hear it at all though, I have to be up next to a wall or bridge to hear that.

A little more ignition advance would probably get that sprint down low for ya like hondalude said.

I heard from someone that that sound is commonly heard on Hondas because of the flame traveling out the exhaust valve and colliding with the header at the bend. Because the headers curve sharply around the engine, it's a more fierce collision than on a lot of cars. But that's just what someone told me. Kinda makes sense, but a lot of cars, even V8s seem to have a tight bend right off the cylinder head. They don't have that noise either, so I dunno... I just know it's obnoxious, and sounds like a damn rattling exhaust system, but mine did that since I had it built new.

[cygnus x-1]

I heard from someone that that sound is commonly heard on Hondas because of the flame traveling out the exhaust valve and colliding with the header at the bend. Because the headers curve sharply around the engine, it's a more fierce collision than on a lot of cars. But that's just what someone told me. Kinda makes sense, but a lot of cars, even V8s seem to have a tight bend right off the cylinder head. They don't have that noise either, so I dunno... I just know it's obnoxious, and sounds like a damn rattling exhaust system, but mine did that since I had it built new.

I think that "someone" is making stuff up. The Honda sound is likely due to the fact that most Hondas tend to have small displacement 4-cyl engines (that rev really high), and people like to put large exhaust tips on them that sort of amplify the raspy sound. 4-cyls also sound different from 6 and 8 cyls because the exhaust pulses are farther apart in the engine cycle. And the way the cylinders are combined in the exhaust changes the sound too. For example, most 4-cyl engines that use 4-2-1 headers will combine cyls 1/4 and 2/3. Some headers will combine 1/3 and 2/4 (something to do with exhaust tuning), and they have a different sound. Not hugely different but enough to notice.


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[stat1K]

i like that "vtechkiller" is in here talking jazz like he knows his business on these cars... please see his other threads and then read his advice...

bisi being overrated statement after suggesting a 2.5"-3" exhaust... lawl.

[RAZR]

i like that "vtechkiller" is in here talking jazz like he knows his business on these cars... please see his other threads and then read his advice...

bisi being overrated statement after suggesting a 2.5"-3" exhaust... lawl.

X2 He needs some more experience with these cars