Lowering spring stiffness % over stock spring stiffness

[Vanilla Sky]

so what's the stock spring rate? with this i can order the custom hypercoils i'm wanting

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by Vanilla Sky
so what's the stock spring rate? with this i can order the custom hypercoils i'm wanting

211lbs front 117lbs rear

[hondacowboy003]

The Koni's are awesome with the H&R's, you don't have to get revalved Bilsteins, (but keep in mind that, yes, standard Bilstein's are to WEAK to run with lowering springs) when the stock koni's are just fine. I was going to get GC's that were 400lbs front and like 325 rear. I was testing the Bilsteins, when my car got totaled.

Ok Jim, you convinced me, Ive just came back from both H&R's website and Koni's. But I have a few questions, 1) Since Koni is discontinueing the struts for our cars, what other aftermarket struts will work with the H&R springs?
2) And (I'll probably get flamed for this) will I have to get a camber kit for my car after the springs are installed?

(Im not financially stable yet to get these parts. Just trying to learn more about what I can and can't get by with on my 88 LX for future reference)

Thanks for the informative thread and keep up the good work.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by hondacowboy003
Ok Jim, you convinced me, Ive just came back from both H&R's website and Koni's. But I have a few questions, 1) Since Koni is discontinueing the struts for our cars, what other aftermarket struts will work with the H&R springs?
2) And (I'll probably get flamed for this) will I have to get a camber kit for my car after the springs are installed?

(Im not financially stable yet to get these parts. Just trying to learn more about what I can and can't get by with on my 88 LX for future reference)

Thanks for the informative thread and keep up the good work.

Your welcome

1. Sadly, none of them are strong enough. When the Koni supply dries up for good the only option will be getting Bilstein H.D.'s and sending them back to bilstein to be revalved. That does mean more money than what you would have paid for the koni's, but you do get better struts for your extra money.

2. I take the position that 1.5" drops don't have enough negitive camber to warrant lifting a finger let along spending a dime to correct. I didn't do anything, frankly my car ended up having the most even tire wear I've every had on a FWD vehicle. Now if you want total perfection, do the prelude arm camber correcton that's outlined in the boards FAQ section.

[zerotap]

Tight looking ride KaMi are those 16" rims on your 3g ?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Alright... so, I am looking at getting some H&R springs as soon as I get the money for them. (local shop wants $300 CDN). I think the price is fairly reasonable, and that is excactly the drop that I want.. I won't go lower.

Anyways... I am running Tokico blues all around, and I have heard from some that I will be ok, and from others that I will get huuuuge bounce. So I am just wondering... when you say it is $600 for the revalved billsteins, is that for all 4? Because I don't have a lot of money, and I think that the tokico's in the rear would probably work alright, but it would be nice to put bilsteins up front.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

And also... I have heard from some that the H&R/Nuespeed springs do not give an even drop, but some of these people have 100lbs of stereo shit in their trunks, so what other options do I have? or do people have pics of 3geez with the H&R's and an even drop.

[Bloodlust]

Ok Jim, I have been reading this thread, and i heard that Tokico Blues would not be good with H&R springs. Is this right? Because I am right about to go with this setup. If it is not ok, what would be the best setup i could do at a reasonable price?

I was thinking Koni's but i have no idea where I can get them. Could you please get a link for me if this would be a good setup? Thanks, much appreciated.

[Mike's89AccordLX]

I was actually going to ask how the Tokico Blues and the H&R Springs would work myself. That's what I'm considering on doing. I've heard that people liked that setup but I would like to hear what the Grand Master Suspension God thinks about that setup

Jim I haven't given up on suspension. I've been repairing mine and getting it ready to lower it. I installed all inner and outer tie rods and got new driveshafts. I will do the bushings and sway bars when I install the springs and struts.

[AZmike]

Here's what someone with that exact combination has to say about it:
(H&R rates are said to be identical to Neuspeeds)

To minimise bounce in the front, you can just NOT use Tokico blues

Imagine, I got the Neuspeed springs (the softest springs available) and my front end bounces wayyyyyy too much.

I HAVE to get koni reds now.

[Busted_Blue]

I'm going Tokico Springs with Tokico Blues. 1inch drop following 3xxlbs/in front and 195lb/inch rear

for some reason i think the neuspeed is too soft and will cause bounce...due to softness.

[bullard123]

Any idea of how the handling balance with the Sprints is affected and whether they are more or less stiff than the Suspen. Techs?

Does anyone have the sprints? How do they ride and handle? Do you bottom out on speedbumps? Any info is appreciated as I am thinking of the sprints for my car.

I have the sprint 2.25'' lowering springs. I think they have awesome handling and they don't bottom out over speed bumps, but they do bottom out when I have more than one person in the car, only on the rear passenger side. I think it might be because of the metal lip that is under the wheel well. Or it could possibly be because of the stock shocks that I still have. And not its not bouncy either. I am gonna replace my stock shocks though. And the stiffness is awesome. If you are still planning on getting the sprints I got mine from www.dragracing.com for $119.99 with free shipping.

[blazin3gen]

damn i got some B&G 1.5 springs, with stock OEM springs, it rides awesome compared to my old DZ springs. rides bumpy (little more then oem) but they do not hit hard as the dz springs


just my 2 cents on how happy i am with these springs

[3gn86lxi]

Any one had experience with spring tech?? I just scored a set on e-bay for $78 shipped. They say it nets a 2.50 drop in front, 2.25 in the back.
Shout if these are shit, I'm hoping that they will do well.

[night]

........

wtf. i have eibach sports on my lude, but that rear rate bugs me. a lot.
anyone know the info on the lude springs?

also... ive had these eibachs and tokico blues for a long time now. and luders have more info on whats out there? there were koni's for the car, but the rears, if they were ever made, cannot be had now. ive never had a reason to complain about the eibachs though. they should be fine now since car will be no more than 1900lbs. but i do intend on racing it on lap days.
does anyone know if the 1get teg has the rear setup like a lude? what about the 2gen accord? classic garage lists them for the rear, wonder if they would fit....

ive always dreamed of having some miata tiens or from some other light car modded to fit mine , but the macpherson design in back is a pain.

['A20A3']

So would it be okay to use the H&R springs with stock struts, or no? I only want a mild drop, so 1 to 1.75 is all I want.

Thanks.

[Busted_Blue]

I just thought I convert the percentages to actual rates. I always thought knowing the actual pounds per inch makes the idea more real to me than a percentage. Course these numbers were just converted from the initial post and they are rounded up to the nearest one.

Stock F 211lbs R 117lbs

Tokico 1" F 350lbs R 190lbs

Susp Tech 1" F 342lbs R 180lbs

Eiabach Sportlines F 342lbs R 80lbs

Eiabach Prokits F 304lbs R 97lbs

Neuspeed & H&R 1.5" F 265lbs R 170lbs

Progress 2" F 358lbs R 357lbs

B&G 1.6" F 350lbs R 357lbs

Susp Tech 2" F 365lbs R 346lbs

Sprint 2.25" F 350lbs R 342lbs

Ground Control coilovers F 340lbs R 364lbs (There are custom rates available for these coilovers.)

Dropzone coilovers F 660lbs R 468lb

Spring Tech coilovers F 660lbs R 468lbs



now i am questioning..jim's percentages...and what they exactly mean

the ones OVER 100% stiffer are wrong...the ones under are right since I know tokico 1inch springs are correct.

Ground Control regular spring rates are F 350lbs and then R 250lbs. if we are using the 214% stiffer....this is wrong.. 250/117*100 is 214.xxx which is 214% of the stock rate. so its 114% stiffer than stock instead of 214%.

anyone have any ideas?

['A20A3']

What about the rate for these springs?

http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/...0Accord%201989

Thanks.

['A20A3']

What about the rate for these springs?

http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/...0Accord%201989

Thanks.

[Busted_Blue]

I emailed them... waiting for reply.

['A20A3']

Good looking out Busted.

[accord-ing to me]

Ok, you are thinking on the right path, but their's one big detail that I need to clear up about the revalved bilstein's.

I revalved the Bilsteins in preperation to go with stiffer than normal GC's. The Koni's are awesome with the H&R's, you don't have to get revalved Bilsteins, (but keep in mind that, yes, standard Bilstein's are to WEAK to run with lowering springs) when the stock koni's are just fine. I was going to get GC's that were 400lbs front and like 325 rear. I was testing the Bilsteins, when my car got totaled.

Running the H&R (or Neuspeed) springs with the Koni's will give you a nice firm (NOT STIFF) sporting ride. It is firmer than stock, but never harsh. It feel's as if you took your car to the honda dealer and had them install a "factory" sport suspension (if they ever had made one). You Cannot get a better ride in a 3rd gen with a lowered suspension, no other lowering spring is softer.

(Ok, in case your thinking. Why was Jim looking to install stiffer springs and strut's and walk away from his H&R's/Koni's? Here's why. When I would push the car past 9/10's on the diserted foothill road's I love to fly on, I could feel the suspension hitting the bump stop's and moving way to much. I needed more spring and more strut power to improve than I had with the H&R's and Koni's. I HIGHLY DOUBT any member would be driving to the absolute limit of car and self that I did to come to my conclusion!

Driven at 9/10's and below, the H&R/Neuspeed/Koni's are a awesome setup that I HIGHLY recommend.)

Jim,, I am very convinced that your knowledge on the suspension of the 3g's is your expertise. You have convinced me to use the Neuspeed springs for my 88 LX-i, even though I would prefer to go lower. My questions to you are
1. Would Tokico's in the rear be much different then the Koni's/ I could save $100.00, worth it?
2. In other posts I have read that lowering more the 2.25"??? you should shorten Koni's. If I use the Neuspeed 1.5" and do the fork cutting in front I should be OK with the Koni's, correct?
3. If I do the fork cutting will it bring camber issues into play?

Thank you so much for your contributions, my wife hates this site--can't get me away from it!!!!

[accord-ing to me]

Jim,, I am very convinced that your knowledge on the suspension of the 3g's is your expertise. You have convinced me to use the Neuspeed springs for my 88 LX-i, even though I would prefer to go lower. My questions to you are
1. Would Tokico's in the rear be much different then the Koni's/ I could save $100.00, worth it?
2. In other posts I have read that lowering more the 2.25"??? you should shorten Koni's. If I use the Neuspeed 1.5" and do the fork cutting in front I should be OK with the Koni's, correct?
3. If I do the fork cutting will it bring camber issues into play?

Thank you so much for your contributions, my wife hates this site--can't get me away from it!!!!

Well, scratch the last, the lasy set of Knoi's are gone, now it's Bilsteins or Tok's--can the Tok's be revalved?

[keruhas184]

3. If I do the fork cutting will it bring camber issues into play?

You will need to have camber correction even with a 1.5" drop. For drops less than 2", prelude upper control arms in the front with a washer trick in the back work fine. If you drop more than that, you'll need to use more expensive camber kits.

[accord-ing to me]

You will need to have camber correction even with a 1.5" drop. For drops less than 2", prelude upper control arms in the front with a washer trick in the back work fine. If you drop more than that, you'll need to use more expensive camber kits.

I think you will be outvoted on this response--1.5" requires no camber change, it's the extra .5 from the cutting I am worried about