nice concept, I've been thinking about getting one
nice concept, I've been thinking about getting one
Eric
3geez member since October 12, 2000
"All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise man." - Henry David Thoreau
considered the same, but i think after careful consideration i'm going to be picking up an s2000 in december. i love the look and concept of the scion/subaru/toy but ponying up the 26+tax+options seems a bit much to me. for the same amount the mustang v6 is a better performance option and a bit more tested design. i'm in a bit of a pickle myself lol...
dead white and blue
Still surprised that they launched this car (Subaru BRZ) as a Scion. I think I read that Toyota may ditch the whole brand soon.
I love that Toyota is making a car that is not boring again. I wish Honda would do the same. We need some real driver's cars again. There's hardly anything out on the market that I would actually consider buying brand new. Even the new Civic Si is kinda lame. I like the engine, but the car that it's in is kinda uninspiring. Everybody is so obsessed with navigation, blind spot detection, and built in ball massagers, nobody wants to actually drive anymore.
I hate how people compare this car to a V6 Mustang or Genesis. They're completely different cars in completely different classes with completely different design goals.
Oh, try to find a V6 Mustang that's optioned low with the performance suspension pack. Chances are you're spending low 30's for that car, and good luck with ordering a low option model. Without the suspension pack, the V6 Mustang is a slow pig only suitable to hair dressers and secretaries.
Now, the S2000 is a better comparison, but they haven't made one in years. We're comparing apples to apples here, so used is out. Otherwise, I'd say I'm just going to pick up a used C5 Corvette. I can get a Z06 in the same price range as the FR-S, so why don't we include that in the comparison. It will also walk all over a Mustang, including the GT.
Considering this car has very little competition in its segment, I keep wondering why people compare it to cars that are both more expensive and less interesting. The Miata is the closest thing to the Frisbee twins, so why aren't people comparing the Frisbee twins to the Miata?
Meh, they're all in the same price range. You might as well consider all your options.
Also, I don't think the V6 Mustang, with a base price that is nearly $3000 cheaper than the FR-S, is going to come out to be more than an FR-S, even with a suspension package. And when the GT's base price is $30,000, I don't see how you're going to end up with a V6 for that much.
exactly, john understood my point it seems. by performance i meant all of the factors considered, parts availability, tuning, stock hp numbers, and honestly the mustang v6 had the best time around the track in the test i read for sports cars under 30k. there isn't a comparison between the frs and the mustang other than price. the car itself drives (in my opinion) very similar to the porsche boxster s in terms of suspension but a little more docile in the revs. in arizona they are selling several v6 performance package mustangs right at 26,9. the frs isn't so lucky, most are near 30 if you can even find one, seems to be pretty popular.
i'd prefer to spend 15-20 on a used s2k with hard top in my area than literally all of the other options. i know the f motor and all of the honda design employed so fixing/modifying would be simple for me, learning a toyota or ford doesn't seem like a good fit. also my friends over at built by notorious have all of the connections for the s2k parts so its seeming that i'll stick to that plan.
the frs is no doubt a wonderful car and will be a good contender when they become a bit cheaper (ie similar to the s2k). i can't wait to see some modified, they are already a great drivers car.
Last edited by stat1K; 08-21-2012 at 07:56 PM.
dead white and blue
One of the writers for Grassroots Motorsports did an article on the FR-S and asked one of the engineers from Toyota if a factory turbo version would be or is in the works. The engineer said "not yet". He didn't so no so I'm hearing maybe. Still I haven't yet and don't plan on buying a new car..Let someone else take the depreciation and then I can buy it lightly used for a much better price. In 2005 my pontiac gto had a window sticker of just about 35k. After a couple years and only 42,000 miles I only paid 18k. Save yourself the cash, buy used.
btw, IMO the S2000 is one of the best driving cars you can get for the money right now. Also my good friend has a C5 Z06 and I have driven it through the mountains and around the city. It is not an ez car to live with. Hard ride, loud at highway speeds, it's too low for ANY speed bumps or slight dips in the road. Don't get me started on build quality..The windows actually bow inward at about 120mph and let air in..Doesn't fill me with confidence. It really belongs on the track, there it's great. I've driven it probably about 1k miles total.
Adam
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from what I've heard it's a 2.0 Subaru boxer motor, so I think an STI 2.5 turbo should be easy to do or released in the future. Hell someone might figure out how to put a subaru AWD drivetrain in it
Eric
3geez member since October 12, 2000
"All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise man." - Henry David Thoreau
it was a joint venture between subaru and toyota to use the suby boxer motor, i don't think many people would purchase the scion to put the STI motor in, they'd probably buy the BRZ and do that, but because of the design i don't think awd would really benefit the car although it does appear that there are some rumors of awd and turbo brz's in the works.
dead white and blue
The differential needs to sit where the front two cylinders are, so I'm not so sure about AWD. Since it's Fuji Heavy we're talking about, there's more than likely going to be a turbo version of this car, even if it's a dealer option package.
I brought up the Z06 because it represents a great performance value, not because it has great build quality. If the Z06 were built well, it would have held its value better.
I looked at the Subaru version and it seems high in price for such a small package but it is a cool concept and seems to be selling well. I think it would be pretty fast if they used the 2.5 turbo considering its RWD and i would imagine a bit lighter than my Legacy GT was.
They're priced right around where the AE86 Corolla GTS was, accounting for inflation. They're priced around where Miatas were when they were released, accounting for inflation, and are currently of similar price when similarly equipped.
I can see these things selling fast to the same kind of people that would buy foreign cars back in the 60s and 70s. Young guys with disposable income and without the need for more than a single passenger seat and older guys that want to recapture their youth.
Not a fan boy, but it's the car I'd buy if someone forced me to buy a brand new car right now.
Alternatively, you can buy a nice, used, garaged, low miles (<30,000), owned by some old guy who never took it over 5,000RPM, Lotus Elise for $25,000.
And now we're back to the used cars VS. new cars argument.
Pssh. With all the old guys that own Elises and never drive them except on the weekends, they're as good as brand new, IMO.
While that's true, you're not going to be considering the used Lotus if what you want is a new car. I won't spend that much on a used enthusiast car. Even one just driven on weekends could have been someone's autocross toy.
All this BS talk, and not a single damn picture. You guys are worthless.
Seriously, how much bigger are the rear wheels?
Doesnt matter, they are not gonna be turboed in the us. Or drop tops. Lets hope the brz is gonna have boost
Originally Posted by CAH
lol you said drop tops like it was something cool and not for girls
dead white and blue
While I haven't driven one of these yet, I don't really think they need boost. I think they are more of a momentum car, not a power car. Power can throw off the balance of a car.
^ definitely true, very similar in my eyes to a miata, s2k, and porsche boxster
dead white and blue
When you think of it like a hard top S2000, it comes into perspective a bit. Except an S2000 would be $10,000 more.
i actually fail to see what the big fuss is about?
the ae86 was ok, but nothing to write home about.
the best part was the motor, and even that wasnt very special.
lets just say , it was the japanese attempt at the lotus cortina, or bda escort, or vauxhall chevette hsr etc, just way to late, and in typical toyota style, had no flare,soul or character to speak of.
its just toyota trying to revive a rep they had 20 years ago.
I'd say that the AE86 Corolla chassis was actually a good chassis. I don't think it deserves the cult following it has, but it really is a very solid motorsports chassis. I think the FRS/BRZ/FT86 is a good remake of the old one, albeit with the wrong engine in there. It's priced right where the AE86 would sell right now, if accounting for inflation.
I'm a fan of the car, but I'm not really a fan boy. I just see it as a very unique car with very little direct competition in the marketplace. Its only real competitor is the Miata. The Genesis and V6 Mustang share a class, but they aren't in the same class as the Miata and FRS. There are cars in the same class on the secondhand market, such as the RX8, S2000, Solstice/Sky, and of course the Miata.
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