Forum vs. Facebook

[obd0driver]

So I'm sure at this point most everyone know the is some animosity towards the form from the Facebook page. From what I gather they fell as the "active/veterans" aren't much help or don't care to help the rookies out. I myself have had notting but great experience here. But at times I do see what they mean.

However I bring this up to say that having such a small following for these cars it dosnt help anyone to have us so divided. We will miss out on great opportunities to build bigger following not to mention the benefit's from having numbers in one spot for group buys, help make money to keep severes up to date, new parts and bigger better meets ect...But I'm not sure how anyone eles feels about it but all sounds nice to me.

I'm just saying

[2oodoor]

How about somebody speak up this alleged animosity, is this being discussed because i looked at fb and saw no such thing. Is it discussd in pm's?
You starting a poll about this bs just feels like an attempt to validate whomever is leading that shit. Im not a player in that game, it's chicken shit posing as bullshit.

[2oodoor]

No offense to you obd0driver, I know you are meaning no harm.
I will see what others have to say here before I go on.
You have to understand how half truths are used to influence and as maniplative tools.
Personally Ive gone well out of my way to help people, using text and pm of all sorts but sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

[elpuma]

Recent dialog on FB group.

Ethan Monahan
So three honda guys pointed me to catalytic converter last night. So tonight, no matter how cold it is, raining, snowing, hurricane sandy. I'm taking it off and gutting it.
Like · · Unfollow Post · 10 hours ago near Nashville, TN
2 people like this.

Robert Dempster You may have melted it's internals when the car wasn't running right.
10 hours ago · Like

Ethan Monahan Yea and its sad I couldn't have gotten more help from the forum. I'm kinda done with it now.
10 hours ago via mobile · Like

Robert Dempster Yeah, but anytime you have stuff that's highly modified, there are any number of things that could be wrong. No one but you knows exactly what was done. That is one reason that I will never buy a car that is already swapped.
10 hours ago · Like · 1

Ethan Monahan Yea but nobody even asked questions. I kept everyone updated too. I just don't understand people today. Everyone wants payment or some tangible good before they do something.
9 hours ago via mobile · Like

Richard Thompson Also keep in mind that the site was being changed over and some of the users were waiting for that to be done. And the fact that half or the use fb and the other half is on the site dosent help ether.
8 hours ago via mobile · Like

Ethan Monahan I think we need to close this shit or something then. I'm sorry, and understand everyone volunteers but the site has fallen apart. The change didn't help. But I also feel like its no excuse to say oh the site was messed up...I still see vets posting to other threads and I'm sitting there keeping everyone up to date. I did my part and got ignored. Just isn't right in my eyes. Nobody even tried to question things.
6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Ethan Monahan Im glad I only paid for a year of foundation membership. I'd get it back if I could. Hell at one time I felt welcome there. Now I just don't. And I think that should concern the owner, whose name I can't remember. Joe I think...
4 hours ago via mobile · Like

Martin Gustavo Rodriguez-Martinez Not many of the ppl on the forum can help you out cuz there are like only 5 cars running obd1. Those that do run on obd1 aren't always on the forum or on here.
3 hours ago · Like · 1

Richard Thompson There isn't as many active members (100 or less) as you think. And Martin is right I've meet 4 members on person and 3 out of 4 don't have accords anymore I bought 2of them. And only one was running obd1 with a b series (messy) and he is not on much.

The only way to fix this is the new members need to become the new active members over there and spend some time reading the old post. It's not Hondatech and there not gonna hand feed us. But keep to the fb page dosnt help anyone
about an hour ago via mobile

I understand Ethan's frustration for the lack of activity on the forum. Yes it has died down somewhat in the past few years but this is the site where important discussions should happen. The FB site does not have a search option like we do here on the site which can helps us find threads of members that may have had problems that we have and are trying to find answers to. The FB site does not have moderators that look over the posts or replies that ppl make.

[obd0driver]

call me a shit starter if you want. I use them both don't care. It just seem to me people do not like site and the fb page has more active members.

here are some the post in the last week
look at the post Ethan Monahan ten hours ago.
joe's post about the update

Martin Gustavo Rodriguez-Martinez post on the turbo manifolds
"Sightsee MC Interesting, might have to get back on the real board 4 this!"

[elpuma]

You're not a shit starter. I believe this is something that should be discussed because it is very relevant. People have to understand that the FB site is great to post quick questions or to show off your ride but the forum make it more accessible to everyone when you post things.

[obd0driver]

No offense to you obd0driver, I know you are meaning no harm.
I will see what others have to say here before I go on.
You have to understand how half truths are used to influence and as maniplative tools.
Personally Ive gone well out of my way to help people, using text and pm of all sorts but sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

I know. By the way I am the Richard guy on FB as you can see I am all for the website and what it's about or I wouldnt have bought two cars off of member's here (frantik's car)and I've meet Pico and Messy person. Like said I don't have a problem. I more so would like to see the site grow as much as the Fb page has and is they get about 2 new members a day. and yes i know people askin the same stuff gets old but if you we shut everyone down of for asking knows gonna use the site. sometimes posting a link dose help.

[Legend_master]

Nobody is getting paid here, and it cost money to run a forum. Servers, software, time, and bandwidth. If somebody feels the facebook page is going to give them more info, they are welcome to it. I can tell you the answers to almost any 3rd (maybe 1st, and 2nd as well) gen problem could easily be found with the search function on this site. I try to log on and answer questions as often as I can, but usually they are already answered correctly by another member. I receive pm's all the time about b-swaps, and brakes. I try to always answer, but I had to do my work on this forum, and with my own hands to figure out what works. I searched for weeks to figure out everything I needed for the swaps, people will have to be patient, and the answers will come. Its not Google, and there are not a billion people contributing to the mix.



So what thread was posted about the catalyst?

[2drSE-i]

So what thread was posted about the catalyst?

I'm with you. I never saw any such thread.

And no one is calling you a shit-starter, he's just talking about the smack-talking on facebook in general.

[obd0driver]

Nobody is getting paid here, and it cost money to run a forum. Servers, software, time, and bandwidth. If somebody feels the facebook page is going to give them more info, they are welcome to it. I can tell you the answers to almost any 3rd (maybe 1st, and 2nd as well) gen problem could easily be found with the search function on this site. I try to log on and answer questions as often as I can, but usually they are already answered correctly by another member. I receive pm's all the time about b-swaps, and brakes. I try to always answer, but I had to do my work on this forum, and with my own hands to figure out what works. I searched for weeks to figure out everything I needed for the swaps, people will have to be patient, and the answers will come. Its not Google, and there are not a billion people contributing to the mix.



So what thread was posted about the catalyst?

I'm not trying to point anyone out. And I thankyou for your help cuz you have help me b4 I just pointing out the fact that there is about a 100 user or so that don't like/use the site and that it would the benefits site to have more regular users. more traffic, more founders, more clicks on ad's= better servers and Easyer time get discounts on parts and parts become more available.

[lostforawhile]

if we are talking the general facebook forum, I gave up on it, bunch of guys talking shit all the time, not everyone but a lot of them, the most common question I hear over and over, is how do i swap out this A20 for a D ? you try to help and they run you down, lots of ricers have parked themselves there

[obd0driver]

if we are talking the general facebook forum, I gave up on it, bunch of guys talking shit all the time, not everyone but a lot of them, the most common question I hear over and over, is how do i swap out this A20 for a D ? you try to help and they run you down, lots of ricers have parked themselves there

didn't we all start out that way asking stupid questions because we didn't know any better knowledge is was going to help them learn

[ghettogeddy]

right but they get butt hurt when the first 5 people say search.. we get tired of saying the same thing over and over and over.. no matter the car im looking up if i have a question first thing i do is search Google... if i cant find it there i find a specialized forum if i cant find it in search there ill ask a question.. if i cant find an answer there then i have to find an alternative fix. most of these facebook "members" are just mad cause they did not get a fast answer. or it wasn't the answer they wanted...

[87accordlxi]

I don't like one bit that the Facebook group sees the activity that it does. And it's very concerning that people seem to prefer Facebook over message board communication. This board has over 10 years of data stored on it, is organized for easy access, and is searchable. I signed onto the Facebook idea in order to engage more members, but the group has done little to help the forum (in terms of activity). If anything, it's been detrimental.

Our official page is a proper fan page now, where I can more effectively use social media to promote the forum. I can work on deleting the group, but others will spring up, and Facebook couldn't care less about duplicate or unauthorized pages. I recognize that people like to communicate via Facebook, and I love that they want to talk about these cars, but that discussion needs to take place here, not on Facebook.

If anyone on the Facebook group wants to discuss this with me, my door is open. I don't want to delete the group - it's helpful to people. But I need to get people on the forum, not Facebook.

[ghettogeddy]

well i think we need to promote the site more on the page instead of just letting it free roam you can add moderators and run it like a forum but we dont have it set up that way.

id make a couple of people that are active go through the face book and link peoples questions to answers on the site im sure we can find 2 or 3 people that have the time to do it

[obd0driver]

I don't like one bit that the Facebook group sees the activity that it does. And it's very concerning that people seem to prefer Facebook over message board communication. This board has over 10 years of data stored on it, is organized for easy access, and is searchable. I signed onto the Facebook idea in order to engage more members, but the group has done little to help the forum (in terms of activity). If anything, it's been detrimental.

Our official page is a proper fan page now, where I can more effectively use social media to promote the forum. I can work on deleting the group, but others will spring up, and Facebook couldn't care less about duplicate or unauthorized pages. I recognize that people like to communicate via Facebook, and I love that they want to talk ab.out these cars, but that discussion needs to take place here, not on Facebook.

If anyone on the Facebook group wants to discuss this with me, my door is open. I don't want to delete the group - it's helpful to people. But I need to get people on the forum, not Facebook.

That would be a great start. Most new people don't know who to go to when they have a problem. So if every try's to help out and be a lil more friendly and inviting will be making some progress

[Hazwan]

I find it funny that some of the guys on the Facebook doesn't even know this site exists! I usually would just lurk around and sometimes would reply only when its necessary but God I hate the Facebook group. I know we all used to be a noob but theres a difference between being a noob that are willing to learn vs a noob that wanted everything to be spoon fed. I recall seeing this guy asking for shop manual and I told him to search on this site and he said he couldn't see the sticky -__-

Asking a really stupid question and then flips out when people told him to search in here is just not cool.

[AccordB20A]

forum > facebook. Nuff said... ive disabled notifications from the 3geez facebook page/s cause of the BS on there

[elpuma]

I know we all used to be a noob but theres a difference between being a noob that are willing to learn vs a noob that wanted everything to be spoon fed.... Asking a really stupid question and then flips out when people told him to search in here is just not cool.

I remember telling one of them once to search and the forum and his response was "that's that shit i don't like." I'm willing to help someone that wants to put in effort to be helped but i'm not gonna do it all for them.

I find it funny that some of the guys on the Facebook doesn't even know this site exists!

That's why when i direct them to the forum i tell 'em to register so that they can use the search function. We can't assume that they know of the forum or are registered to it.

[obd0driver]

I find it funny that some of the guys on the Facebook doesn't even know this site exists! I usually would just lurk around and sometimes would reply only when its necessary but God I hate the Facebook group. I know we all used to be a noob but theres a difference between being a noob that are willing to learn vs a noob that wanted everything to be spoon fed. I recall seeing this guy asking for shop manual and I told him to search on this site and he said he couldn't see the sticky -__-

Asking a really stupid question and then flips out when people told him to search in here is just not cool.

Yea and I it get but why not just post a link to it here to get them to cone here that's part of the problem. There should also be a more updated sticky post there is a lot of stuff that's should be there that's not. That's would make it more user friendly amd cut down on those "stupid" post. Some of the stickys are so old that the photos no longer show up on them amd that's a big turn on to new users. If your know to Honda's altogether would you know what most of the part we are talking about looked like. Are model isn't like any of the other or is it the same as more common models out there. So extra help is needed.

[2oodoor]

didn't we all start out that way asking stupid questions because we didn't know any better knowledge is was going to help them learn

Um, nope
I've read stacks and stacks of Hot VW's magazines, popular hot rodding, popular science, penthouse, Hondatuning, Half of all the Haynes manuals at the public library AND I lurked here for months before I ever signed up. Any time I want to know about something I read forums only after reading actual reference material. Forums give you a shared experience of whatever topic.
I will say I was kind of bred that way because I was hungry, back when I worked for dealerships a car would come in Ive never seen before with a problem Ive never heard before and I had to fix it or not make money. Had to hustle at on top of that.

[cygnus x-1]

right but they get butt hurt when the first 5 people say search.. we get tired of saying the same thing over and over and over.. no matter the car im looking up if i have a question first thing i do is search Google... if i cant find it there i find a specialized forum if i cant find it in search there ill ask a question.. if i cant find an answer there then i have to find an alternative fix. most of these facebook "members" are just mad cause they did not get a fast answer. or it wasn't the answer they wanted...

This is a large part of why FB is so popular. It facilitates a very simple stream of consciousness style of communication. There is almost no navigation or searching involved; everything is essentially in one big pile. Type in a question, get an answer almost instantly. What's not to like about that? (rhetorical question)

The down side of being so easy, is that the signal to noise ratio is much lower. So you are deluged with useless chatter. In that type of uncontrolled forum there isn't much you can really do about it.

I don't like one bit that the Facebook group sees the activity that it does. And it's very concerning that people seem to prefer Facebook over message board communication.

See above...

This board has over 10 years of data stored on it, is organized for easy access, and is searchable.

"Easy" is a relative term. It still requires more effort than chatting on FB. (not that this is a bad thing)

And to be honest I've never had much luck with using the forum search. It never seems to come up with what I'm looking for, although I don't know why exactly.

I signed onto the Facebook idea in order to engage more members, but the group has done little to help the forum (in terms of activity). If anything, it's been detrimental.

I just checked out the FB group and I was surprised at how much traffic there seems to be. That's actually a GOOD thing as it means that there are lots of people still interested in 3g Accords. Now we just need to figure out a way to get them to the site.

I can work on deleting the group, but others will spring up, and Facebook couldn't care less about duplicate or unauthorized pages. I recognize that people like to communicate via Facebook, and I love that they want to talk about these cars, but that discussion needs to take place here, not on Facebook.

Don't delete the group. That would just fan the flames so to speak. It would be much better to use the FB group to direct people to the forum. Unfortunately I'm not FB savvy so I'm not sure exactly how to do this.

well i think we need to promote the site more on the page instead of just letting it free roam...

id make a couple of people that are active go through the face book and link peoples questions to answers on the site im sure we can find 2 or 3 people that have the time to do it

These are good suggestions.

Yea and I it get but why not just post a link to it here to get them to cone here that's part of the problem.

That's a really good idea. Instead of answering questions on FB directly, post a link to where there answer is on the site. Telling people to simply search the site isn't going to be enough. They need a more direct link (I know, it's kind of sad). Fixing up the FAQs and HOWTOs will go a long way toward making this easier, and we (mods) are working on this.

There should also be a more updated sticky post there is a lot of stuff that's should be there that's not. That's would make it more user friendly amd cut down on those "stupid" post. Some of the stickys are so old that the photos no longer show up on them amd that's a big turn on to new users.

If you have any specific suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. And as I said, we are working on updating the knowledge base threads. It's going to take some time though since there is a LOT to go through and they have been languishing for a long time.


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[cygnus x-1]

Um, nope
I've read stacks and stacks of Hot VW's magazines, popular hot rodding, popular science, penthouse, Hondatuning, Half of all the Haynes manuals at the public library AND I lurked here for months before I ever signed up. Any time I want to know about something I read forums only after reading actual reference material. Forums give you a shared experience of whatever topic.
I will say I was kind of bred that way because I was hungry, back when I worked for dealerships a car would come in Ive never seen before with a problem Ive never heard before and I had to fix it or not make money. Had to hustle at on top of that.

I know exactly what you mean. The difference now is that it easier (by orders of magnitude) to access specific detailed information than it has ever been before. I think back to having to use the card catalog to look up the reference number to find a book in the library, and I'm SO happy we have computers, the internet, and Google.


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[Hazwan]

forum > facebook. Nuff said... ive disabled notifications from the 3geez facebook page/s cause of the BS on there

I left the group, twice. The only reason why I joined in the 2nd time was to sell some JDM shit to them and they complained about my JDM corners is too expensive at $60 SHIPPED. I left the group for good now, no more BS notifications!

[87accordlxi]

This is a large part of why FB is so popular. It facilitates a very simple stream of consciousness style of communication. There is almost no navigation or searching involved; everything is essentially in one big pile. Type in a question, get an answer almost instantly. What's not to like about that? (rhetorical question)

I completely understand the value of getting an answer right away when you need it. I can't control how quickly questions get answered on the forum. All I can do is promote the forum and make it more user-friendly so that we have more activity, and then maybe things will be answered quicker in the long run. If Facebook serves that niche where an answer should be immediate, then great. But most questions aren't very time sensitive.

I just checked out the FB group and I was surprised at how much traffic there seems to be. That's actually a GOOD thing as it means that there are lots of people still interested in 3g Accords. Now we just need to figure out a way to get them to the site.

Don't delete the group. That would just fan the flames so to speak. It would be much better to use the FB group to direct people to the forum. Unfortunately I'm not FB savvy so I'm not sure exactly how to do this.

I agree. Like I said, I love that there's still a ton of activity, and that activity is taking place under a 3geez banner. We just need to direct it tothe forum. There are no plans to delete the group. It can still serve a purpose and be helpful to people, and I don't want to take that away.

I see a lot of discussion back and forth about telling people to search. Nobody likes to be told to search. Most users do some kind of searching before asking a question - whether it's very thorough or not is another story. Searching requires a little trial and error, frustration can set in, and this is a community after all so why not just ask the damn question. We've had this back and forth for years. Telling people to search doesn't help, but if you have to, at least give some suggestions for search terms, or direct them to a member who may be able to help.