A grip machine.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by AccordEpicenter
Hey are LX-i sway bars (front and back) the same as SE-i sway bars? Do bigger aftermarket sway bars for front and back make a big difference? What about shock tower braces like the one DC sports makes for the PGM cars?

The LX-I/SE-I sway bars are the same size front and rear.

The Suspension Techniques bars are only slightly thicker than stock, 1/16" thicker in the front and 1/8" thicker in the rear. Being that it's slightly thicker in the rear the S/T bars will reduce your understeer a bit. And since they are of course equipped with polyurathane bushings, that will improve their responcesiveness over stock bars as well. Frankly, I don't see a problem with only getting the S/T rear bar only and find a way to equipe the front stock bar with poly bushings, in a effort to reduce understeer more, unless your willing to get custom bars that are larger than the S/T bars.

Being that our car's were designed before the manufactuers really went after chassis stiffness, they can benefit from strut tower braces. The idea is not let any flex between the strut towers to happen, theirby improving the cars responsiveness. DC Sports only offers a front bar and of course only for LXI/SE-I cars. Every now and then, justin (the Admistrator/moderator here) will offer custom rear strut tower braces that he makes. When he makes them, he offer's them in the market place section.

[Reptile]

bumping it up. I have a few more questions but I dont have the time to post them.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by Reptile
bumping it up. I have a few more questions but I dont have the time to post them.

Allrighty, postem when ya can.

[Reptile]

Ok, what would be the best things I could do to turn a 89 LX-i into a grip machine? Also what were those tires you recomended to me that were supposed to be really good but only cost $500 a peice? Please if you can post links to places where I can get the products you are recamending me I would appreciate it.

[Grant2k]

Originally posted by Reptile
Ok, what would be the best things I could do to turn a 89 LX-i into a grip machine? Also what were those tires you recomended to me that were supposed to be really good but only cost $500 a peice? Please if you can post links to places where I can get the products you are recamending me I would appreciate it.

as long as i'm reading this i might as well put in what i can. i think what you are asking are for Falken Azenis. a bit more than $50 (not 500) each. i hope that helps.

[Reptile]

Yes that is what I meant. $50 a peice not $500. The Falken is what I want. Thank you. Hmmm, maybe I should fix that. Naw, I'll leave it there so every one can see that a lack of sleep is a bad thing.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineT...l#FalkenAZENIS

$43.29 for 195/60-14 you can't get a better high performance tire in 14", unless it's a competition tire with a treadware rating of 50. I don't know if proxy T1-s's are avaliable in 195/60-14, those are good tire's to.

For springs I'd recommend that you go with coilovers, that way you can choose to keep the ride height stock or drop it a little if you want and still have nice performance spring rates.

PLAN A:
First choice would be ground-control coilovers from www.nopionline.com for $329
Koni sturts from www.shox.com for $424 w/free shipping
(or front Koni's for $212 and rear tokico's from nopi for $119)
After running this setup for a few week's if you feel you have more body roll then you'd like for your driving style then either invest in the Suspension Techniques sway bar set from www.nopionline.com for $239(may be $229) or find a way to convert the stock front bar to urathane mounts and only purchase the S/T rear bar, since the S/T front bar isn't much thicker than stock anyway's. You've got a LX, so the carb air filter and all prevent's you from running a strut tower bar. You could find a shop does fabracation and have them tie in some braces from the strut tower's to the firewall.

PLAN B:
Either stiffer Ground-control springs from ground-control for I believe a extra $70 +$339(400lbs front and 300lbs rear) or purchase Dropzone coilovers $100 http://www.ketronsales.com/coilovers.html they have the stiffer springs allready 450lbs front and 350lbs rear
Revalved Bilstein struts from www.shox.com for $530 DO NOT RUN STOCK KONI'S with springs as stiff as the Dropzone's.
Same deal with sway bar's as plan A.

Let me know, I may know of a way to get the revalved Bilstein's for $440, they'd work for either plan.

Plan C:
Tokico 1" drop springs on clearance at tokico for $58!
www.tokicogasshocks.com
Either koni's front and rear or with tokico's in the rear.
This setup has a stiffer front spring and weaker rear springs so I would recommend the rear S/T sway bar and keeping the stock front sway bar.

[Reptile]

Ok, the coilovers are good because I don't want it to be any lower to the ground than it already is. I am willing to lower it as much as maybe one inch if I absolutly have to. But one thing though. This is for the 89 LX-i now, not my LX. I'm not modifying the LX anymore, I'm selling it to a friend as soon as I can get the money up for an LX-i. Tell me what will work for an 89 LX-i and I'll see where I can go from there. Also most likely I will like about half or lees of the body roll than what is in my stock accord now. Like I said I want a grip machine. I was a car that can turn on a fucking dime. I'm talking like 90 degree angles at at least 40 mph. This is going to be my ultimate 3G. In the long run money doesn't matter because when I find a LX-i that matches what I'm looking for I will never part with it. I will see to it that it will never die, regardless of what I have to do to ensure that.

[Reptile]

Plan A looks really promising though. I might do something like that with maybe a little of B as well. I don't know, you tell me what will work.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Plan A is fine, I figured I'd give you some choices to suit your driving style. I can say from experience that the revalved Bilstein sturts do outperform the Koni's. I felt they were worth the price premium over my koni's. The koni's definately outpeformed the standard Bilsteins and really were a improvement. But, revalved the Bilstien's were even better. Either one will work.

When do you think you will be buying the stuff to upgrade your car?

[Reptile]

Around this time next year at the earliest. Really when ever I save up 5k and find my dream car. What ever is left over from that 5k and then the $1500 from selling my LX to my friend goes into my new LX-i as fast as I can get it there. I'm geting headers and a CAI for the engine and other than a wing and a new coat of paint anything goes.

[maka_RTH]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
No matter what I would recommend light weight 15" rims40mm offset 12lbs or less with 205/50-15 Falken Azenis Sports. If you have to have 16" find some that are 15lbs or less and run with 45mm offset so you can run 215/40-16 size.

i've wanted 17" cuz i like the big rims but i was wondering why 15" would be the best for cornering and whatnot?

[anchovies]

Originally posted by maka_RTH
i've wanted 17" cuz i like the big rims but i was wondering why 15" would be the best for cornering and whatnot?

Weight - 17s are heavier, added rotational weight at 4 corners is bad
Tire meat - 17s you'll have to run rather low profile tires. When cornering, you won't have enough tire to counter the pressure.
Price =D for wheels and tires

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by maka_RTH
i've wanted 17" cuz i like the big rims but i was wondering why 15" would be the best for cornering and whatnot?

Read this thread, be a sponge

http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000303.html

Rotational weight and slip angle's are the key
It gets scary expensive to get 17"rims with less than 15lbs in them. $355 each for 12lbs velox pg-5's $375 each for 14lbs SSR competition rims.

[pearldrop]

It gets scary expensive to get 17"rims with less than 15lbs in them. $355 each for 12lbs velox pg-5's $375 each for 14lbs SSR competition rims.

Haha
That is the average price that I usually pay for rims. I wouldn't classify rims as scary expensive until they get up over the $1000 each range.

[maka_RTH]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
Read this thread, be a sponge

http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000303.html

Rotational weight and slip angle's are the key
It gets scary expensive to get 17"rims with less than 15lbs in them. $355 each for 12lbs velox pg-5's $375 each for 14lbs SSR competition rims.

thanks for the link and info, it's fun being a sponge it all makes sense now, didn't think back to my days in physics

[87DXHatch]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
Read this thread, be a sponge

http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000303.html

Rotational weight and slip angle's are the key
It gets scary expensive to get 17"rims with less than 15lbs in them. $355 each for 12lbs velox pg-5's $375 each for 14lbs SSR competition rims.

Wow, that looks exactly like the car audio threads I read... only having to do with wheels and tires.

Crazy crazy stuff... they seem to labor over the tiniest details...

I think I've changed my mind... I think I will get a nice set of 16's instead of 17's... I think it'll work better all around that way.