MODIFICATION, MANUAL TRANSMISSION ( TEG )

[PhydeauX]

Well, this is as good a spot as any to start this thread.

I got the trans today. So its officialy started.

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Someone had asked in the original thread about the linkages. They are similar, but the shift rod doesn't attach to the trans in the same manner. That doesn't matter though because the shift linkages are in the bell housing half of the case, so the accord parts should be retained.

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I didn't get too much done. I split the case and just took a quick look around. All the teeth are there and there were no big hunks of metal stuck to the magent so thats a good sign. The shafts are still together so I don't know about the syncros yet, I'll probalby just replace them all anyway.

This is how I left it.

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It looks alot like the accord trans from this angle, then it looks alot like my corolla's trans too. We'll just have to wait and see what happens when I get the accord trans out.

A few notes so far.
The gen3 accord axles should fit right into the dif, unfortunately thats not the case for the prelude/gen2 accord axles. Good news for the rest of you, but bad for me. I should be able to swap the dif, or atleast the spider gears to solve that.

One more thing thats going to come out of this. By the end I should know if the phantom grip 902 will work in the accord trans.

andy

Thank comcast for the loss of the pics, they keep changing my damn ip.

[88LXi68]

bout time someone is going to try.

[A20A1]

I'm getting goose bumps.

[Vanilla Sky]

andy, you kick ass... if it fits, i'll be getting one

Derick

[Site]

Your car is SO hybrid!

[PhydeauX]

Heres a quick semi complete cross refrence list of parts between the teg 85 lude and accord.

	          85 prelude     87 accord      87 integra
                   Carbed DX        LX-i        

Forks
1-2 shift fork  24221-PC8-920  24221-PC8-920  24221-PC8-920
3-4 shift fork  24211-PC8-J00  24211-PC8-J00  24211-PC8-J00
5th shift fork  24201-PB6-910  24201-PB6-910  24201-PB6-910
5th fork shaft  24271-PC8-930  24271-PC8-930   not listed, but is diferent from the accord's

Differential
diff bearing    91005-PC9-008  91005-PC9-008  91005-PC9-008
diff houseing   41310-PC8-921  41310-PC8-621  41310-PG9-600
diff side gear  41221-PC8-912  41221-PC8-040  41221-PC8-040
diff pinion     41341-PC8-030  41221-PC8-030   not listed
pinion shaft    41321-P21-A00  41321-P21-A00  41321-P21-A00

Counter Shaft
shaft           23220-PC8-662  23220-PC8-671  23220-PG9-600
needle bearing  91101-PC8-J01  91101-PC8-J01  91101-PC8-J01
ball bearing    91004-PC8-J01  91004-PC8-J01  91004-PC8-J01
second bearing  91106-689-008  91106-689-008  91106-689-008
first bearing   91105-PB6-008  91105-PB6-008  91105-PB6-008
first gear      23421-PB6-010  23421-PB6-010  23421-PB6-010
second gear     23432-PC8-325  23432-PC8-J20  23432-PG9-305
third gear      23471-PC8-910  23471-PC8-J21  23471-PG9-600
fourth gear     23481-PC8-000  23481-PC8-J21  23481-PG9-600
fifth gear      23461-PC8-960  23461-PC8-J21  23461-PG9-600
3rd 4th spacer  23917-PB6-000  23917-PB6-000  23917-PB6-000

Main shaft
shaft           23211-PC8-962  23211-PC8-J21  23211-PG9-010
ball bearing    91002-PC8-J02  91002-PC8-J02  91002-PC8-J02
needle bearing  91103-PC8-018  91103-PC8-J01  91103-PC8-J01
third bearing   91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008
fourth bearing  91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008 
fifth bearing   91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008
third gear      23442-PC8-315  23442-PC8-J20  23442-PG9-305
fourth gear     23451-PC8-000  23451-PC8-J21  23451-PG9-600
fifth gear      23581-PC8-960  23581-PC8-J21  23581-PG9-600

Reverse
idler gear      23540-PC8-J01  23540-PC8-J01  23540-PC8-J01
                23540-PC8-000  (2 parts listed for lude)  
shaft           23261-PC8-000  23261-PC8-000  23261-PC8-000

It covers most of the important parts. Of course most of the gears dont match and the counter and main shafts due to the diferent ratios. All of the bearings match, which is good. The diff side gears match between the accord and teg, so the axles should swap. The prelude ones don't, but I can just drop the lude ones in the teg diff and everything should be fine.

andy

[shepherd79]

what about the bell housing? does it look the same?
you may be able use your old 5 speed case, with integra guts in there. plus that way you will rebuild it.

[PhydeauX]

Well that was the whole point of the cross refing, along with me being bored while I wait for the parts to get here. The guts should swap with no problem. The bell housing has to be from the accord, no way a d-series bell houseing is going to bolt to an a series motor. The rest of the case doesn't matter, but since the whole thing has to come apart to get the bell houseing off might as well use the accord case.

andy

[PhydeauX]

Well, I made a little progress today. I got a rebuild kit on order. Thanks to funstick for this info. Its coming from rockwell standard gear, or something like that (keep getting the name mixed up). All the brass, the sliders, the shaft, and the dif bearings. All that for less then honda sells one syncro set for. Their number is 1-(800)-227-1523. Write that down, its the only place I could find that can get the brass and sliders for a reasonable price.

While I was at it I installed a pacesetter quick shift. Once again a 3g part installs into a 2g no problem. Except for the fact that pacesetter cant make a single part with out something being fucked up on it. I had to shave a good deal off the set scerw to get it to sit flush with the ball and not bind. It feels smooth now but maybe setting the ball 3/4 the way up the shaft was a little overboard . It takes popeye arms to get the current trans in gear with this thing. Actually slowed my shifts down, considerably. That should all be rectified soon. The phantom grip should be here within a week, and I should have my trans parts by friday. Lets hope for next weekend for the fun part to begin.

andy

[PhydeauX]

Delays Delays Delays.

Well it turns out that one of the shifter forks went on backorder. No clue when that is goin to come. Also the rebuild kit from rockland came today. I was under the impression that the kit was to contain new sliders, but it only had the block rings. That is going to toss a big wrench in things, the sliders are the only parts that really need to be replaced. I have them looking for sliders for me now, the only thing I can do is keep my fingers crossed.

andy

[A20A1]

so I'm confused... the teg trans won't fit on our engine in it's entirety... you'll need accord parts to make it work?

[PhydeauX]

You put the teg parts in the accord case.

andy

[Sean]

andy i think i have some good sliders

[PhydeauX]

All the back order parts are in, just waiting on the phantom grip. It should be here by tomorrow.

andy

[GreenMachine]

So basically you ripped the guts out of a 2nd gen teg and put in in the 3rd gen accord tranny .. impressive. Is it a 2nd gen accord tranny or 3rd that's getting modded.

[PhydeauX]

The guts are from a first gen teg tranny. The case is a second gen prelude (same case as a 3rd gen accord more or less). The whole thing is going into a second gen accord with a third gen motor. Confused yet .

andy

[Sean]

no your just starting to get interesting. i guess that like the

34 ford 3 door coupe my nieghbor has with the 95 corvette motor,a ford 65 van rear (9 inch) all wheel disc brake form a lincoln town car. yeah it gets interesting LOL. thats the beauty of hot rods.

[PhydeauX]

The phantom grip came today, now I just have to get the sliders checked. I'll know for sure soon, but I would place money on the phantom grip #902 fitting the accord diff just fine.

andy

[87pimpsterdocious]

How much did that lsd cost you?

[PhydeauX]

I got it from Quick 60. Send them an e-mail and see what they can do, their catalog isn't that great. The kit lists for 300 direct from phantom grip. Its not a full diff, just a conversion. Basically 2 metal plates and some springs that fit in your old dif. Its the cheapest thing out there though, the next being OPM's dif. The OPM dif is similar, but has clutchpacks so it doesn't wear out the dif housing. I've never heard anyone complain about phantom grips not lasting, but as long as it lasts half as long as the OPM then its worth it in my book.

andy

[PhydeauX]

I forgot my digicam so your not getting any pics of this part. I've also been working on it for 8 hours strait... till almost 5am... so bear with me I'm past my limit.

Both transes are apart, all the new bearing and syncros are on and the diff is completed. The phantom grip was a cinch to install and should work fine with the stock accord dif. The integra shafts are slightly longer then the prelude ones, the prelude case wont work, the integra one has to be used.

I'm also going to have to double check my cross ref sheet that I posted. It seems that the ball bearing on the counter shaft and the needle bearings on the input and counter shafts are diferent between the teg and prelude. That makes no diference for the ball bearing on the counter and the needle on the input, since the teg case has to be used anyway they fit fine. I just kept the needle from the lude on the counter shaft and it seems like it will work fine. I'll have a better idea once I put it all together.

andy

[PhydeauX]

Ok, light day today. I can barely move from over doing it last night. Make sure you don't work untill you can't stand up just to realize that you have an hours worth of cleaning up to do before you can leave.

Anyway I spent tonight undoing most of the fuckups that I did last night. I was wrong about the needle bearing on the counter shaft. The prelude and teg have the same bearing, but the kit came with the wrong one. I don't really have the luxury of buying a new bearing, this has to be out of the bay by tomorrow night so I just poped the old bearing back in, it still feels good. That solved and putting the counter shafts back together the right way solved a slight misalignment that I was haveing. Funstick had warned me of this, but I did it anyway, if the 3rd/4th slider is upside down then the fork wont hold it up high enough to disengage 3rd gear. I also had one gear on upside down. Its all better now though. I also gave everything a good cleaning. I managed to get alot of crap in there last night too. The tranny is now 90% assembled. I just have to bolt the case together and put 5th gear in. It goes into all the gear and everything seems to work. I'd say this is 100% doable now, but its a royal pain in the ass. Well hopfully I'll know tomorrow if it was worth it.

andy

[Sean]

i did warn you about the 3-4 slider. that thing is a pita. i ussually use a punch to mark it with a dot so i know which side is up when i goto reassemble it.

[PhydeauX]

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Well its together and in the car... but something is ratteling and round and it wont go into 4th... I hope I didn't put that slider back on upside down again... I didn't put much power through it and I only drove it around the block. I also managed to get pulled over twice in that time. Ok, its a suburban block and a long one at that so it was about a mile.. but still... I was driving under the speed limit the whole time. Once was cause I had my head out the window trying to listen to the rattle. The other was just to "check my papers".

I'm not looking forward to taking the trans out again and I may wait and see if I can get my hands on a light flywheel to put in while I'm at it.

One last thing, I had to use the teg 5th. It's thicker then the ludes and the lude's gear wont engage. Some creative shimming could solve that, but I didn't have the right shims and I wanted to get the car back running. That comes in handy right now as the teg's 5th is just about where the lude's 4th was.

andy

[A20A1]

Sounds like you had fun...

I didn't realize sticking your head out the window was against the law? heck I do it all the time...