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    Unsprung Weight

    Unsprung weight is the weight of all the components not supported by the car’s suspension. This usually includes: wheels, tires, brakes, uprights, bearings, and the shock or strut assembly plus part of weight of control arms and axle. Lower unsprung weight makes it easier for the suspension to keep the tire in contact with the road over uneven surfaces. The weight of wheels and tires is especially important because it not only contributes to unsprung weight, but it also rotates. Reducing rotating mass improves acceleration and reduces the load on brakes.


    Wheel weight links
    www.superhonda.com/tech/wheel_weights.html
    www.audiworld.com/tech/wheel22.shtml
    www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html
    www.wheelweights.net/
    http://www.konigwheels.com/catalog_l...m?categoryid=1

    Wheel Offset
    Offset measures the distance between the surface of the wheel that mounts to the hub to the vertical centerline of the wheel.
    http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...jsp?techid=101

    This site is useful if you want to find out something specific.
    www.wheelspecs.com

    Many tire weights are available at tirerack under the ‘specs’ button for each tire in each size


    Wheel and Tires Sizes

    OEM Wheels
    Stock 14”x5.5” 45 mm offset 4 x 100 mm bolt pattern
    88-89 OEM 14" alloy wheels weigh 17.1 lbs (thanks CAH)
    Stock 13”x5.5” 4 x 100 mm bolt pattern
    Civic and Integra wheels fit
    13" wheels do not fit on 88-89 fuel injected cars because of the larger front brakes


    Tire diameter calculator

    http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
    ...or do it yourself
    (wheel diameter [inches])+2*(aspect ratio)*(section width [mm])*(1/25.4)
    example: 195-60R14: 14+2*0.60*195*(1/25.4)=23.12”

    The exact outer diameter can be found for a specific tire using the revs/mile data available on tirerack:
    diameter = (5280*12)/((rev/mile)*3.1415926)

    Tire sizes (use offset 40-45 mm wheels; slightly lower offsets may work in some situations)
    FORMAT [size] [outer diameter] [ratio to stock]
    Stock (for diameter comparison)
    185/70-13 23.20” 100.0%
    195/60-14 23.21” 100.0%
    +1
    195/55-15 23.44” 100.1%
    205/50-15 23.07” 99.4%
    195/50-15 22.68” 97.7%
    +2
    215/45-16 23.62” 101.8%
    205/45-16 23.26” 100.2%
    205/40-16 22.46” 96.8%
    +3
    215/40-17 23.77” 102.4%
    205/40-17 23.46” 101.1%
    +4
    215/35-18 23.93” 103.1%

    I do not expect any 19" or larger wheels to fit.

    Going to a diameter smaller than stock will slightly improve acceleration at the cost of a small reduction in fuel economy and a speedometer that reads a little higher. The vehicle center of gravity is also lowered slightly with smaller diameter tires. This will tend to slightly improve cornering grip. Obviously the opposite is true for tires with a larger outer diameter.

    Maximum size
    215 width fits with 45 mm offset wheels
    225 width fits with 40 mm offset wheels
    195/70R14fits at stock height (outer diameter 24.75” 106.6% stock)

    This site has a good deal of tire information--some basic some more advanced
    http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...yre_bible.html

    Bolt pattern
    These cars share the 4 x 100 mm bolt pattern that all 86-89 Accord have
    The bore size and offset may not be correct though.
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    Acura
    86-01 Integra 14x6

    Audi
    79-84 4000 14x6
    76-84 4000S 13x5.5
    79-84 Coupe 14x6
    76-84 Fox 13x5.5
    ? -87 Quatro/80/90 13x5.5

    BMW (mid offset)
    84-91 318/325 14x6
    79-83 320/323 13x5.5

    Chevrolet
    75-86 Chevette 13x5
    86-89 Nova/Spectrum 13x5.5

    Dodge
    81-86 Aries 13x5.5
    84-85 Caravan 14x6
    82-86 Charger 2.2 13x5.5
    93-94 Colt 13x5.5
    82-84 Daytona 14x6
    94-96 Neon 14x5.51
    78-85 Rampage 14x6

    Ford
    91-94 Escort LX/Wagon 13x5.5
    91-96 Escort GT 15x6
    92-97 Escort LX 14x5
    97-? Zx2 15x6

    Honda
    82-89 Accord 13x5
    80-96 Civic 13x5
    89-91 Civic EX 14x5
    86-91 CRX Si 14x6
    80-91 CRX/Prelude 13x5.5
    92-97 Del Sol V-Tech 14x6
    93-97 Del Sol 13x4.5
    01-04 Insight 14x5.5
    86-91 Prelude Si 14x6

    Isuzu
    83-89 I-Mark 13x5
    87-89 I-Mark Turbo 14x6
    83-92 Impulse 14x6
    91-93 Stylus 14x6

    Kia
    00-02 Rio 14x5.5
    94-95 Sephia 13x5

    Mazda
    90-94 323 9 13x5.5
    90-00 Miata/MX5 14x6 (most trim levels)
    92-96 MX-3 14x6
    92-96 MX-3 GS 15x6
    90-01 Protege 13x5.5

    Mercury
    94-? Aspire 13x4.5
    91-96 Topaz 13x5
    91-96 Tracer 14x5

    Mitsubishi
    93-96 Mirage 13x4.5
    94-97 Mirage 14x5.5
    97-? Mirage Coupe 14x5.5

    Plymouth
    79-90 Horizon/Omni 13x5
    81-85 Reliant 13x5
    81-85 Voyager 13x5.5

    Pontiac
    88-93 LeMans 13x5.5

    Saturn
    91-? S Series 14x6

    Suzuki
    95-97 Esteem 13x5.5

    Toyota
    86-91 Celica 13x5.5
    88-96 Corolla 13x5
    88-97 Corolla 14x5.5
    00-03 Echo 13x5
    85-89 MR-2 14x6
    00-02 MR-2 Spyder 15x6
    92-96 Paseo 14x5.5
    01-03 Prius 14x5.5
    83-97 Tercel 13x4.5

    Volkswagen
    89-92 Corrado 15x6
    85-98 Golf 14x6
    81-98 Jetta 14x6
    90-97 Passat 14x6
    82-89 Quantum 14x6
    81-88 Scirocco 16v 14x6

    Complied by Bones from:
    http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse...._Reference.cfm

    Check out what they look like at this page:
    http://www.wheelcollision.com/cta.htm



    If you have anything to add just post below and I'll make changes as required

    If you have a question please start a new thread.
    Last edited by AZmike; 09-02-2010 at 07:26 PM. Reason: updates



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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    what is the stock 13x5.5 wheel offset?

    is it the same as the 14x5.5 - +45

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Si
    I still have the 17 * 7 wheels with 45 offset and 215/45/17 tyres from my 6th gen. I would like to change the tyres to 215/40/17 and fit them to my 3G.
    Will it still be ok to lower my car by 1.5" when I have those mags/tyres on?


    im not sure....i have 195-60-15 and if i get any wider tire i will rub in the back wheels

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by headbanger View Post
    thx did u have any mechanical problems from running that size wheel


    i think the only prob i see is that the speedo of the car will be off by a lil bit when it reads 60...you will be going 60.6mph

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    i plan to get 205 50 15's for my rim i have 195 65 15 on them now and the tiers are way to tall

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    i thought this was on here already, but saturn wheels fit too not sure specs but they're 15's

    S-series 92-93 15x6 +50 offset
    Last edited by Demon1024; 04-02-2018 at 08:04 AM. Reason: size and year

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Thanks! Can someone explain the offset for me. It says in the first post to have a minimum of +40 offsett up to +45. So the way I'm thinking, the inside of the wheel (where it mounts to the hub) with the smaller offset (lets say +38) will have the wheel stick out more towards the outside of the fender? Is that what will happen with the smaller offset depending on the tire size?

    I'm asking because I see alot of wheels for sale but the offset is +38 or +37. They are mostly for the civics and integras. The offsets for the accords don't come to often.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by phillie View Post
    It says in the first post to have a minimum of +40 offsett up to +45. So the way I'm thinking, the inside of the wheel (where it mounts to the hub) with the smaller offset (lets say +38) will have the wheel stick out more towards the outside of the fender? Is that what will happen with the smaller offset depending on the tire size?

    BINGO!

    you can run a bigger offset, but you may have roll your fenders or camber your your suspension so that it tucks up into the wheel well. Some people say camber will wear the tires real fast, others say that camber is ok and it is toe that eats tires.

    for reference, I am running 15x6.5 rims w/ 36mm offset and 205/50/15 tires. No rubbing, no fenders rolled and not cambered to all hell.
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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Here is a cool wheel calculator. Compare sizes etc.
    http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    The Honda Fit (all years, all models) has a 4x100 bolt pattern.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    The Honda Fit (all years, all models) has a 4x100 bolt pattern.
    Had 2008 Honda Fit wheels on my 1987 Acura Integra, which resembles the 87 Accord LX-i Hatchbacks, and they looked great on it!


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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    I just found out the chevrolet aveo has a 4 x 100 bolt pattern.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    What about the 1983-84 dodge shelby,thay had 15"4x100 wheels.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    4x100 Honda Fit Wheels on my SEi Coupe

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    I have 185/70-13 23.20” wheels, can i fit 14' or 15' wheels on my car? its a 88 Honda Accord LX.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by JDAccord88 View Post
    I have 185/70-13 23.20” wheels, can i fit 14' or 15' wheels on my car? its a 88 Honda Accord LX.
    Yes, theoretically you could go all the way up to 20" wheels, but who would do that to a 3gee lol. 14s or 15s would be an excellent upgrade for the car.
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    Legend_Master- Thank you for the help,

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    one more question, will i have to lift my car to fit bigger wheels and tires? or no?

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    I have 205/55/16 on the LX and they rub inside the top of the well in the rear on any jousts, bumps, or diagonaly traversing my driveway. Got a little rubbing on the fuel filler tubes as well, so my question is are 205/45/16 a huge difference?
    That size was recommended but I have to order the tires unseen.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    I have 205 50 16 and at about a 3" drop with no rubbing..

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by kentwat View Post
    Here is a cool wheel calculator. Compare sizes etc.
    http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp
    That is pretty cool!
    Im still a little worried but it does look like it would clear better but it's a crap shoot if it will still bottom out with weight in the car. I can get a bfh and work on the inside top some if not.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    I confirm that either 205/45 R16 or 50 profile will work fine have had both on my car 45 gives you the exact same circumference as stock on a 16" if 55's are rubbing I would suggest the shocks are not doing too well :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by 2oodoor View Post
    I have 205/55/16 on the LX and they rub inside the top of the well in the rear on any jousts, bumps, or diagonaly traversing my driveway. Got a little rubbing on the fuel filler tubes as well, so my question is are 205/45/16 a huge difference?
    That size was recommended but I have to order the tires unseen.

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    Re: Wheels and Tires

    14” civic steelies (unknown offset until I take them off) work with 195/75r14. Probably a 5.5” wide rim. I might know the offset soon when I take them off to try some 15x8’s at +36 with 205/55 if not 205/50


    Also the DeLorean has a 4x100 bolt pattern😉
    Last edited by Fixedit; 05-07-2018 at 09:32 AM.

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