Drawn through 'Boed a20a2?

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Originally Posted by JFern

well if you do it right (and considering you said you had only the turbo it self and its in good condition) ..... The carb itself, materials, new parts for the carb (ie jets etc.), gaskets, the tubing for the turbo as well as the oil lines, an exhaust manifold, wastegate, blowoff, intercooler, piping for the intercooler, an ecu flash (unless you are doing a complete standalone) and a bunch of other stuff you won't foresee (because building cars always seems to take 3 times as long and cost 3 times as much)

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Thanks

but yeah, the tubing, oil lines, and manifold will be free. (dad=machinest) (got a wastegate)and don't need a BOV (can't on draw through), no IC (can't on draw through) but learn me about said ecu flash?

to me carb is pointless... efi is so much more precise.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Sky

I do want to point out the infamous Maserati Biturbo. Those are awesome cars if you swap to fuel injection. Even the stock pressurized Webers didn't do well.

I'd pick myself up a $50 LXi or SEi parts car and just swap to EFI. That way you also have a spare motor to mess with. If you were local to me, I have one I'd sell to you for $100.

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Having a parts car definitely has its advantages, especially if you can get the whole thing for the same price as a new carb, then you have everything you need to make better and more dependable power, not to mention a lot of stuff you didn't think you needed like sway bars or interior pieces and what not

on the accord you are obd0, so you can't flash any ecu, as far as i know the accords ecu is also unchippable, also you're carb'd so there is nothing to tune. most of your parts are mechanical so there would be nothing to do. all you would really need is an FMU but that's ghetto and they break all the time, most people with home made turbo setups have their fmu fail and they lean out and melt something.

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Originally Posted by stat1K

to me carb is pointless... efi is so much more precise.

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Please don't. I clearly asked in the original post that you not post things to this effect.

Edit, what is an FMU?

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Originally Posted by JordanQ

Thanks

but yeah, the tubing, oil lines, and manifold will be free. (dad=machinest) (got a wastegate)and don't need a BOV (can't on draw through), no IC (can't on draw through) but learn me about said ecu flash?

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free materials huh? (im jealous) oh and ya i missed the draw through part ^_^ you can't actually flash an ecu on your car (sorry for the bad vocabulary)
what i was implying is tuning the motor for the turbo. i'm a little tired.... and hungry. im just not paying attention....

so you don't know what an FMU is but you want to turbo something, i'll say whatever i want in your thread when you ask questions like that...

just go read on homemadeturbo like all night, then you'll have a better sense of what you're doing probably...

i would think someone who knew what "a-arms" and "wishbones" would know other things about things like FMU's... yeah see how that feels? laf.

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Originally Posted by stat1K

so you don't know what an FMU is but you want to turbo something, i'll say whatever i want in your thread when you ask questions like that...

just go read on homemadeturbo like all night, then you'll have a better sense of what you're doing probably...

i would think someone who knew what "a-arms" and "wishbones" would know other things about things like FMU's... yeah see how that feels? laf.

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haha win.

btw FMU stands for Fuel Metering Unit (Thanks to google)

yeah i know i love it when people ask questions rather than just straight googling it... i'd link you to a funny lmgtfy.com website but i'm too lazy for that kind of joke right now.

here ya go stat1k (alley oop!) http://tinyurl.com/yfxcq6k

Hey look, another draw-through argument thread!

ib4tl :tongue:

so no one has actually ever turboed a carbureted 3gee?

Nope, none of us bother because we can find $50 parts cars and do an EFI swap for less than finding a carb in the junkyard and rebuilding it.

alright then
i'll gladly be the first.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Sky

Nope, none of us bother because we can find $50 parts cars and do an EFI swap for less than finding a carb in the junkyard and rebuilding it.

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not to mention making more power with EFI

i saw that you said you dont need/cant use an IC, id like to know how you plan to cool the setup down, water injection? if you plan to do anyhing more then 2-4 psi the amount of heat buildup is going to throw everythig off. without some means of cooling it down your turbo or motor will be much more prone to failer.

Well, by nature of this project, he's restricted to about 2-4 pounds of boost, so an intercooler isn't all that needed for such low boost.I don't see the motor lasting 5,000 miles, nor do I see it making more than about 130HP in the best of conditions. A simple EFI swap would put him at 110 to start out with, then he can run the same amount of boost and make a bit more reliable power, and be ahead when it came to price.

You just can't teach those who are unwilling to learn.

lol mostly what i was saying is for the amount fo work to make 2-4 psi its not worth it only would be worth it to have more boost but cant do that without cooling (or management)

to OP there is a good reason that no one does this type of turbo setup... its not imposible its just plain usless for the amount of money spent to do it even with everything your listing you cna get for free your still going to go threw blocks like crazy

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Originally Posted by JFern

here ya go stat1k (alley oop!) http://tinyurl.com/yfxcq6k

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damn was that like the precursor to this season in cleveland? LEBRON TO SHAQ AND HE SLAMS IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for the pass homes.

and yeah, another drawn through arguement, WOOOOO!!!!


efi swap.

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Originally Posted by JordanQ

alright then
i'll gladly be the first.

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Good luck to you. My suggestion is also to do a bunch of reading on homemadeturbo, get your head on straight, and stop asking questions on here. Its never been done here, and all you seem to be getting is negativity. Just post results when your done.

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Originally Posted by 2drSE-i

Good luck to you. My suggestion is also to do a bunch of reading on homemadeturbo, get your head on straight, and stop asking questions on here. Its never been done here, and all you seem to be getting is negativity. Just post results when your done.

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it's not negativity, its skepticism... i don't believe anything til i see it, so many people come on here saying they're gonna do this or that (myself being one of them when i had my accord) and really not much comes of it... vector, guyanobo, and a handful of others are really the only ones that have proven me wrong on anything.

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Originally Posted by JordanQ

As the name suggests, I am interested in setting up my 3gee with a draw through turbocharger using the stock carb. anyone had any experience with it? A nice run down of everything needed would be swell..

please no responses along the lines of "why bother when this is better" and the like ;-)

EDIT: i have read the topic on the matter, but can make no sense of any of it. Is all a jumble of arguments.

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The Keihin is a piece of junk, I put in jetting almost a decade ago, there used to be parts available, but they evaporated into thin air over time. They are now extinct. It's not worth it. If you have the equipment available, your best bet is a webber or a holley or other domestic carb. Both of those carbs have a good knowledge base of what needs to be done set them up for turbo like this. Search the turbo threads on here, and keep your eyes out and you'll find the internal parts you need, people do sell them. I think Johnny O has a turbo manifold available right now, that would get the turbo itself in the car, If I was doing something like this, I would buy something from him in a second. He has the fastest three geez on here, probable the fastest one ever.

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Originally Posted by JFern

i know quite a bit about 60's and 70's cars (built about five now). Never heard of anyone refer to it as a wishbone. Control arm? yes. A-Arm? yes. but everybody has pet names for their own parts. So as for this lets see who penis is bigger b/s, just please stop and take it somewhere else, we are here to build cars not compare inches. (i have been a part of too many forums that just fight, this shouldn't be one of them)

As for trying to get a carb off a stock car to work? good luck, even manufacturers were smart enough to have EFI on their cars for turbo applications (examples? the 80's mustang 2.3L EFI, and the 80' thunderbirds 2.3L EFI, Rx7 turbos are EFI etc.) if you need a carb to do turbo, buy a holley because you can get jets for them easily and just build the flanges and stuff to fit.

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as in double wishbones front and rear, very exotic stuff for an eighties car. and the template many honda suspensions were based off of for years. even the factory calls wishbones. Look at the front hub, suspension piece sideways and you'll see why.

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Originally Posted by JordanQ

Please don't. I clearly asked in the original post that you not post things to this effect.

Edit, what is an FMU?

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going to a draw through setup is completely possible without an ecu, it's just not as easy,it's been done on other cars for decades. You do need timing control though, there are Msd boxes that connect to the manifold and vary the timing based on boost levels. this would be your best bet in a non ecu setup

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Originally Posted by lostforawhile

as in double wishbones front and rear, very exotic stuff for an eighties car. and the template many honda suspensions were based off of for years. even the factory calls wishbones. Look at the front hub, suspension piece sideways and you'll see why.

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i was being facetious, i know what a double wishbone suspension and i know why its called a wishbone (also know as SLA suspension in ase classes, stands for short, long arm suspension) and yes having them in the rear is pretty rare in the eighties, but generally when you buy the part separately, its called a control arm or an a-arm (you walk into my work and ask for a wishbone and you'll get some weird looks) thats all i was saying