PROJECT: Rear Struts and Bigger brakes

[Legend_master]

Ok I have been doing research on different setups for the rear (with disk brakes). So far I have found the strut I am going with. It is a 4g sedan struts, here is some comparison info on it

3rd G Hatch : Body Length:15.375",Compressed Length:15.500",Extended length:22.125"
4th G Sedan: Body Length:15.750",Compressed Length:16.000",Extended length:24.125",

As you can tell the struts are similar except at fully extended. Honestly I dont think that should make a difference since I dont plan to make an jumps or anything of that matter. I am going to go to the junkyard and see if the calipers from a G1 Legend will bolt onto our hubs, if so we could run 259mm rotors or 10.1" in the rear. I will let you know what I come out with.

[MessyHonda]

you should start selling some break kits....i would of loved it to put it in my car but i just went with High performance replacements.

[mkymonkey]

freaking awesome....sir you are a true 3geez pioneer

[Legend_master]

you should start selling some break kits....i would of loved it to put it in my car but i just went with High performance replacements.

The front kit is incredibly simple to piece together yourself, but I dont know how difficult the back kit will be. I will let you guy know in time (freaking 17 hours of school and working all weekend takes up all my time).

freaking awesome....sir you are a true 3geez pioneer

Thanks, I get alot of my ideas from old dead threads that were never continued on . I just want there to be more tuner options for this car.

[MessyHonda]

i think we should talk to Honda tunning like that your car gets showed....cuz yours is a work of art.

[Legend_master]

i think we should talk to Honda tunning like that your car gets showed....cuz yours is a work of art.

I dont belive I will be gettting in any mags untill I get this bastered painted . After that I believe I might have a shot.

[MessyHonda]

I dont belive I will be gettting in any mags untill I get this bastered painted . After that I believe I might have a shot.

yeah you might have to thorow a body kit on it since they dont like plain cars....sigh...well thanks for the tips on the rear sturts and bigger breakes but like i said i just got some Tokicos with 1.5inch lowering springs. maybe some poly stuff coming my way....il stop geting off topic now...hehe

[Hash_man_Se_i]

^^^ I have seen many cars with kits in mags now. And ya, I'd say with a paintjob and a sick set of wheels your car would look great.

[Legend_master]

^^^ I have seen many cars with kits in mags now. And ya, I'd say with a paintjob and a sick set of wheels your car would look great.

Thanks man, I dont plan to EVER put a kit on this. I might develop a lipkit of some sorts, but never a full bodykit.

[wprocomp]

you put some gaudy bodykit on your hatch and ill go pull it off and sacrifice it to fire myself lol

[guaynabo89]

So youre going to get the 1st gen Legend calipers and rotors? You already have rear disc brakes correct?

[Legend_master]

So youre going to get the 1st gen Legend calipers and rotors? You already have rear disc brakes correct?

I am going to see if the calipers fit on the SE-i hub, If not I am going to try and find a pair that will (civics, newer accords, integra, etc....).

[Oldblueaccord]

The real cool setup would be to keep the drum brake knuckle so just about any one could do it. I would think a complete new caliper bracket would have to be made.

What did fastbrake ever come up with ?


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[Legend_master]

The real cool setup would be to keep the drum brake knuckle so just about any one could do it. I would think a complete new caliper bracket would have to be made.
What did fastbrake ever come up with ?
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That would be sick, but nobody ever did the group buy. I did find a website that offers rear disk convertions though. Scroll to the bottem and read the Disc Brake X-Overs... . I have not talked to them so I dont know the price.

[guaynabo89]

I am going to see if the calipers fit on the SE-i hub, If not I am going to try and find a pair that will (civics, newer accords, integra, etc....).

I think that they do. Its been about 3 years since I checked the legend rear calipers but if i remember correctly they had the closer mount hole locations like the sei. After 1990 all the callipers had wider bolt spacing ie tegs accords civics.
Definately be an upgrade since the legend rear caliper has a pad almost twice the size as the sei with a piston to match. PLus the larger rotor and increased braking surface area would certainly be great. And no he Legend rear caliper will not fit on the AEM rear rotor. I checked and the pad surface area is larger than the area on the rotor.

[smufguy]

you can just make a bracket and make any size caliper adapt to the knuckle. It would be an easier solution rather than swapping out the whole knuckle from a different vehicle. Once you go bigger rotors in the back, you might have to change the proportion to the rear. the reason is that i felt the rear catch on first with my dx rotors in the front and sei rotors in the rear, but now wieh the lxi rotors in the front, its balanced. Hope that helps you.

[Legend_master]

I think that they do. Its been about 3 years since I checked the legend rear calipers but if i remember correctly they had the closer mount hole locations like the sei. After 1990 all the callipers had wider bolt spacing ie tegs accords civics.
Definately be an upgrade since the legend rear caliper has a pad almost twice the size as the sei with a piston to match. PLus the larger rotor and increased braking surface area would certainly be great. And no he Legend rear caliper will not fit on the AEM rear rotor. I checked and the pad surface area is larger than the area on the rotor.

Hmm.. good info. I plan on getting redrilled legend rotors for the the rear to match with the calipers. I didnt realize the caliper and piston were also that much bigger. I will keep you up to date as I go. I have also been conitplating switching out the part that attaches to the studs with one from a legend on the front and back to allow for 4x114 and easy rotor replacement.

Part number 2 in this pic
Legend

Accord #3 in this pic

you can just make a bracket and make any size caliper adapt to the knuckle. It would be an easier solution rather than swapping out the whole knuckle from a different vehicle. Once you go bigger rotors in the back, you might have to change the proportion to the rear. the reason is that i felt the rear catch on first with my dx rotors in the front and sei rotors in the rear, but now wieh the lxi rotors in the front, its balanced. Hope that helps you.

I dont a have the time or resources to build a bracket to make different calipers fit. I just want something that is "bolt on". I already swapped out my prop valve for a prelude 35/40 and I haven't noticed to much braking power from the rear.

[halxi]

well thanks for the tips on the rear sturts and bigger breakes

BRAKES, no e before the k... drives me crazy.

Good work man, its nice to see that people are still trying new things with 3gee's. I truely miss mine, but it just wasnt fast enough, at all.

[Legend_master]

BRAKES, no e before the k... drives me crazy.
Good work man, its nice to see that people are still trying new things with 3gee's. I truely miss mine, but it just wasnt fast enough, at all.

You got bit by the civic bug like everybody else, LOL. Just messing with ya. If there was one company that made turbo manifolds for our cars (3gees) the fast thing would be no problem.

[A20A1]

That would be sick, but nobody ever did the group buy. I did find a website that offers rear disk convertions though. Scroll to the bottem and read the Disc Brake X-Overs... . I have not talked to them so I dont know the price.

Interesting... and then we need 5 lug rims though?

[Oldblueaccord]

Hmm.. good info. I plan on getting redrilled legend rotors for the the rear to match with the calipers. I didnt realize the caliper and piston were also that much bigger. I will keep you up to date as I go. I have also been conitplating switching out the part that attaches to the studs with one from a legend on the front and back to allow for 4x114 and easy rotor replacement.
Part number 2 in this pic
Legend

Accord #3 in this pic

I dont a have the time or resources to build a bracket to make different calipers fit. I just want something that is "bolt on". I already swapped out my prop valve for a prelude 35/40 and I haven't noticed to much braking power from the rear.

If the bearing dimensions(even the part number) and the spline on the hub are the same that would prolly do it.


As far as the rear brake thing I always thought the smaller front civic brakes might be the ticket on the rear. i think there 9" or something. One of my girlfriends car had them.


Hey where did you get the strut compression lenghts btw I had been looking for them ?



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[Legend_master]

Interesting... and then we need 5 lug rims though?

No, I believe that they have a supply of the Sei brakes. I havent called them so I dont know.

If the bearing dimensions(even the part number) and the spline on the hub are the same that would prolly do it.


As far as the rear brake thing I always thought the smaller front civic brakes might be the ticket on the rear. i think there 9" or something. One of my girlfriends car had them.


Hey where did you get the strut compression lenghts btw I had been looking for them ?



wp

I will have to do some R&D on the bearing, because I believe that Honda and acura use different part numbers. I was also was thinkinhg about using the front rotors from an integra, but the offset would be much different. As for the strut dimensions, I made a thread on cb7tuner and asked them.

[smufguy]

the swap years on the 4th gen (90-93) and 5th gen (94-97) are off. How valid is this shop/site anyway

[Legend_master]

the swap years on the 4th gen (90-93) and 5th gen (94-97) are off. How valid is this shop/site anyway

Alright I just called them and they use the SE-i rear hubs to accomplish this. They said they only have one side right now, but if they had the whole setup it would run about $300.00 + shipping (I dont know if they use new calipers and rotors or not).

[smufguy]

So wait, they use the Se-i rear knuckles but just swap the Hubs (the part with the studs and wheel bearing basically) so that u can throw on a different rotor? But still, what about the caliper bracket, if the rear rotor is bigger, then you cant really use the same Se-i caliper bracket.

Making a caliper is not that hard, a lot of aftermarket brake adapters use machined Aluminum brackets so even a simple CAD design for the adapter would be fine.