What is the next "turbo"?

[BeatThisLXI]

When the concept of turbocharging came to fruititon, it was an amazingly innovative concept that increased the power of a stock engine like no other bolt on or normal mod could. I often wonder what could be the next innovative drastic speed increasing device for a car that could be applied (regardless of the amount of work or money involved) to as broad a range of vehicles as the turbo (and supercharger). Given my incredibly limited knowledge of the internal combustion engine as we know it, I can contribute very little to the how, but I am constantly thinking about the what. Perhaps there is a simple idea that no one has thought about. Because if you think about it, someone thought "hey, let's just shove more air in!" and that's a pretty simple concept.

One probably rediculous idea I had is to try to make a car with 2 (yes 2) engines that work cooperatively at the same time. If this was possible somehow, a turbocharged 3g pushing the (debatable) max of about 210bhp might find itself with 310 through maybe, I don't know a super tiny 100bhp engine? And maybe even that one could be turbocharged Perhaps one engine could be in the front and one in the back with no trunk. Ok gearheads, I've seen you guys make CRAZY stuff sound totally possible before. Let's see what we got. Anybody else got any ideas for a new continuous boost?

[mkymonkey]

well people have put two or more engines together before. shit people still do it. i know for a fact that the very cool red neck sport of tractor pulls involve tractors with more than one engine. of course these are domestiv v8's but i dont see why someone could not simply add two 4 cyl engines together and put them in the back and have a rwd car. the only problem i see with that is that there would be no trunk whatsoever, and the front seat might be shoved up a bit to the front, as well ast he car would be very hot on the inside because of the amount of heat the two engines would produce.

i think the only way a car like this would work is if it was for drag uses only, cuz well it would be very heavy and i dont think it would corner well. haha.

[Legend_master]

When the concept of turbocharging came to fruititon, it was an amazingly innovative concept that increased the power of a stock engine like no other bolt on or normal mod could. I often wonder what could be the next innovative drastic speed increasing device for a car that could be applied (regardless of the amount of work or money involved) to as broad a range of vehicles as the turbo (and supercharger). Given my incredibly limited knowledge of the internal combustion engine as we know it, I can contribute very little to the how, but I am constantly thinking about the what. Perhaps there is a simple idea that no one has thought about. Because if you think about it, someone thought "hey, let's just shove more air in!" and that's a pretty simple concept.
One probably rediculous idea I had is to try to make a car with 2 (yes 2) engines that work cooperatively at the same time. If this was possible somehow, a turbocharged 3g pushing the (debatable) max of about 210bhp might find itself with 310 through maybe, I don't know a super tiny 100bhp engine? And maybe even that one could be turbocharged Perhaps one engine could be in the front and one in the back with no trunk. Ok gearheads, I've seen you guys make CRAZY stuff sound totally possible before. Let's see what we got. Anybody else got any ideas for a new continuous boost?

There have been multiple cars with two engines, I have seen a carrado, a tiburon, an audi TT and some others cars with dual engines. As for teh first question here is the new bolt on mod



Seiosly the combustion engine is very ineficient I have heard of some newly desinged engines that can produce gobbs more HP with less effort. Look them up they are around.

[BeatThisLXI]

Yeah you're probably right monkey, it would never be a daily driver, but I'm just thinking, what if we could get like a 400 hp 3g accord that way? That'd be pretty amazing. And yeah, I'm sure there's better engines than the IC but it doesn't look like (besides electric variants) they're coming into mass use anytime soon.

[3G Jester]

your 16 i bet i bet

[BeatThisLXI]

your 16 i bet i bet

No man, I turn 20 in 3 months. But if you don't mind me asking, what the hell does that have to do with finding new mods?

[speedpenguin]

Umm... The next step after turbo was nitrous. The question is what comes after that.

It's entirely possoble to come up with such a thing on your own. he first known nitrous system in a car was developed by an engineer who street-raced in a Mazda 323. He actually came up with a lot of things racers take for granted now. He was recently killed in an accident under suspicious circumstances after attracting attention by the electric companies while developing an elctiricty generator that would render them obsolete. (That's the rumor anyway)

[BeatThisLXI]

Now I figured someone would say the next thing after turbo was nitrous, but I'm talking CONTINUOUS power, not momentary boost that must be recharged. That's what I don't like about nitrous, besides the fact that it's doesn't seem to be very stable in terms of possible engine damage.

Too bad about that engineer guy. Bastards. What was his name neway?

[Legend_master]

Yeah you're probably right monkey, it would never be a daily driver, but I'm just thinking, what if we could get like a 400 hp 3g accord that way? That'd be pretty amazing. And yeah, I'm sure there's better engines than the IC but it doesn't look like (besides electric variants) they're coming into mass use anytime soon.

This would be much cheaper and easier then putting two engines in a car if you wanted 400HP.

[speedpenguin]

Too bad about that engineer guy. Bastards. What was his name neway?

Now that you made me think about it, I'm going to see if I can find out.

[mkymonkey]

This would be much cheaper and easier then putting two engines in a car if you wanted 400HP.

agreed

[BeatThisLXI]

True. But didn't he mod the LIVING HELL out of that thing? I mean, performance injectors and stuff like that? Does that really count as a single massive power boost? Like adding that one turbo. A turbo is (basically) one mod that adds a dramatic amount of hp.

[AccordEpicenter]

ive made approx 270hp on the stock 135000 mile motor reliably, until i lost my oil pump. Why not go with a single built turbo motor and go faster than 2 200hp engines?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

There have been multiple cars with two engines, I have seen a carrado, a tiburon, an audi TT and some others cars with dual engines. As for teh first question here is the new bolt on mod

There is a guy here in Calgary building a twin engine del sol... its lookin pretty nuts so far.

This would be much cheaper and easier then putting two engines in a car if you wanted 400HP.

that car is my idol lol.

[ChaseR]

How about the New Accord hybrid V6, that thing MOVES and the electric isnt really for economy it actually boost performance!

[gp02a0083]

i think i read a article in superstreet a while back that they were working on a engine that is a 3 cyl engine that uses an crazy amount of boost from a turbo something like 100 psi basically the first cyclender isnt used for combustion its used to further compress the air (much like a overhead belt driven air compressor works , and then is fed into the two otehr cycl's but this engine is very i mean very low compression i think they mentioned u can start the engine by hand thats how little compression it has,

as far as induction goes , i am working on a new throttle body design that should aloow even more air flow with the same diameter TB , i mentioned this briefly at the last honda meet i was at and currently i have CAD drawings setup and im about 1/2 way done with a mock up unit

but as well i believe that combustions engines are gonna start phasing out , not in a loong time tho , these electric motors , if anyone is into slot cars or R/c cars are if anything faster than thier combustion counterparts, the only limit that they have is of course the power supply to feed them , but for now i believe that most car makers might start adding turbos to thier models b/c now fuel efficency is what sells cars and they can allways make a sport model of the same car. if anything i think the next thing will be some sort of turbo, supercharger hybrid

[BeatThisLXI]

ive made approx 270hp on the stock 135000 mile motor reliably, until i lost my oil pump. Why not go with a single built turbo motor and go faster than 2 200hp engines?

Wow, 270, that amazes me every time I hear about it, lol. But neway, yeah, if that's better than that yeah, it is more intellegent to get a really nice turbo rather than the billion relatively weak ones out there. Probably a LOT cheaper. But I mean I'm just curious is there anything else out there that could do basically what the turbo does? And on that note, I saw some awesome replies from you guys. That electric thing, yeah I thought about that but didn't mention it because I know so little about it and at one point even thought that the electric part made hybrids slower. Since then I've seen the numbers on these things and they look GREAT. So yeah, you're 100% right as far as I'm concerned, that electric thing has INCREDIBLE potential. As far as you know does it have any limitations right now? Perhaps distance on a single charge, or the battery weight, or the amount of electricity necessary for everyone to have one charging overnight like that? Maybe this stuff is old news and fixed by now, like I said I know so little about it, enlighten me! And epicenter, chew on this: what about a twin engine with both turbocharged with a nice turbo setup? How awesome would that be. Oh and dual engine del sol? Crazy ripped! Keep it going guys, this is really incredible stuff.

Oh yeah and about your improvement ideas man, that stuff you're drawing up sounds AMAZING, you must be a genius dude. Especially for a non engineer.

[2ndGenGuy]

You guys should check this out:



http://www.revetec.com/

The engine has no crankshaft per se. Operates similarly to a boxer-style engine. Basically, the pistons are almost floating. There are no rods, and many fewer moving parts. The combustion pushes the piston down which pushes a big cam instead of turning a crank. This means that the optimal firing time can be advanced incredibly. Which will cause combustion at a higher compression state. I guess these engines are torquey as hell.

That's how I understand it anyways...

Also we have the hydraulically-actuated, electronically-controlled valve train. Basically, instead of a camshaft and a rocker pushing on each valve, you have a hydraulic actuator on each valve. The computer controls when each valve opens and closes indepentantly. Basically you have PERFECT cam timing at every single RPM. So you will basically never lose bottom end, and always have the best top end, and everything in-between. Duration and lift is constantly monitored in the computer, and is varied based on RPM, fuel, air and everything else in the ECU. Better emissions and more power.

Now imagine combining both technologies. THAT would be one fucking sick motor. Mega-power and super efficent at the same time. I think thats the way the combustion engine is going to go.

[gp02a0083]

hmmm i was jsut looknig at that and thought of a boxter engine , however it seems to have the basic ideas of a rotery engine , i mean this idea is still using a laterial type engine layout insted of a epilipicital motion turning a single output shaft intresting idea i still would liek to see them totally redo the theroy behind a rotery engine , now we do have the tech for it , however that layout currently has 3 major problems 1 not a sufficent amout of torq compared to a boxter , inline or V type engine , they are pigs on oil (b/c they run on a simmilar principal of a 2 cycl engine) and thos dammed apex seals.

i will try to find the magazine that has what i mentioned earlier about the 3 cyl layout

[gp02a0083]

and as far as the electric stuff goes , we do have the tech for smaller bateteries , but however to make them into practial use and cost efficency is not there , check out some of the land speed cars some of them go well over 200 mph

[BeatThisLXI]

Thanks for the inputs guys, lot's of stuff to think about. You kids are brilliant.

[mkymonkey]

lol...actually the average age in the forum is about 22-23 soooo...that would make us adults...i think lol

[MessyHonda]

lol...actually the average age in the forum is about 22-23 soooo...that would make us adults...i think lol

you must of been really reallly bored to add up all the ages to find the average...can you also calculate the mean and range for us...lol jp with ya.

[mkymonkey]

actually....no i cant, im not very good at math

[gp02a0083]

heh me brilliant , hell no ive been called an intelligent idiot in some cases lol i mean i am book smart but im still lacking in a bit of common sence but im working on it lol