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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by blh1983 View Post
    So are you all still thinking ignition switch??
    Based on your last post it seems to be more of an issue with a ground wire. Maybe the ground coming from the battery is loose or corroded where it connects the the frame.



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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    After replacing the main relay (which may have been pointless), and cleaning the battery posts and terminals with a steel brush; my car has been running great. I haven't had any difficulty starting or driving down the road.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blkblurr View Post
    Based on your last post it seems to be more of an issue with a ground wire. Maybe the ground coming from the battery is loose or corroded where it connects the the frame.
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    did you change the alternator or what?
    the reason why it was dyin while driving was because of the batterie terminals being loose and when you take the batterie bracket mount off and dont reinstall it the batterie wil move and loosen the untight batterie terminal connection. replace the alternator your self its cake. 2 bolts and the tensioner bolt. save your self 100 bucks . im for sure you dont make 100 bucks an hour and thats all it would take. good luck to you

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    No I didn't change the alternator. I ended up taking the one I bought back. And removing the alternator may be simple, but that is depending on whether the bolts wanna come loose. I could not break my bottom bolt/nut loose. So I just gave up.
    Quote Originally Posted by -$MOKIN- View Post
    did you change the alternator or what?
    the reason why it was dyin while driving was because of the batterie terminals being loose and when you take the batterie bracket mount off and dont reinstall it the batterie wil move and loosen the untight batterie terminal connection. replace the alternator your self its cake. 2 bolts and the tensioner bolt. save your self 100 bucks . im for sure you dont make 100 bucks an hour and thats all it would take. good luck to you
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    If You Take The Drivefs Side Tire Off. Then You Will Be Able To Acess The Bolt Better Than From On Top. Get A One Size Smaller Socket And Beat It On There. If You Get Frustrated Go Smoke And Get Back On It Later. Never Give Up On A Bolt. Beat The Shit Out Of It..lol Or If Your In The Detroit Area Il Be Happy To Install The Alternator For 175 And Save You 10 Bucks.lol Good Luck Man. Is The Batterie Still Dieing Or What? Open end wrenches have a tendency to strip shit. you coould take the top bolt off the move the alternator back qnd forth it might loosin it a little
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    and remove all that useless plastic bullshit

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Lol, I don't smoke. But I do crave them when I'm stressed out. But only because my parents use to smoke. I got a quote from one shop for $180 installed that's including there part and labor. But my car has been running great. I'm going to goto a shop right now and have them test my charging system. So I'll be back with the results a little later.
    Quote Originally Posted by -$MOKIN- View Post
    If You Take The Drivefs Side Tire Off. Then You Will Be Able To Acess The Bolt Better Than From On Top. Get A One Size Smaller Socket And Beat It On There. If You Get Frustrated Go Smoke And Get Back On It Later. Never Give Up On A Bolt. Beat The Shit Out Of It..lol Or If Your In The Detroit Area Il Be Happy To Install The Alternator For 175 And Save You 10 Bucks.lol Good Luck Man. Is The Batterie Still Dieing Or What? Open end wrenches have a tendency to strip shit. you coould take the top bolt off the move the alternator back qnd forth it might loosin it a little
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    LOL, my last message didn't post when I originally created because it didn't think I was logged in. But I just went and had my charging system tested and when the lights, a/c, or cooling fan kick in it drops below 13 to like 12.68. So my alternator is on borrowed time unfortunately. But I have a very good strong battery so hopefully my car will run until I can afford to fix it.
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    Speaking of borrowed time. My alternator seized up completely yesterday. I would be extremely pissed off right now except I have a second POS vehicle. An '84 Ford Ranger in desperate need of a carb rebuild. But back to my 86 Accord. I had a friend tow my car home with a tow chain from where it died. It died 8.5 miles away from my house. There is irony in the location it chose to die.

    Here's the story. About 4 years ago my fiance had an 87 Accord LX-i Hatch (it was grey). We were driving down the road and we were approaching the corner of Portland Rd & Chemawa in Salem, OR. And the timing belt broke. Well my alternator seized at this exact same location. Can someone please tell me that is all about. The moral of the story is if you have a Honda stay away from this intersection.
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    haha...its called karma bro.. you cant drive a broke car. She was tryin to tell ya to change her alternator man. You seen all the signs. She told you time and time again. And you didnt fix her. So go give her some love and put a alternator on her. she will be so happy. =) Way better than a ford ranger.

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    LOL, I know. If I didn't believe in Karma myself I'd be saying that you watch to much My Name is Earl. But then again if you don't watch that, maybe I watch to much of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by -$MOKIN- View Post
    haha...its called karma bro.. you cant drive a broke car. She was tryin to tell ya to change her alternator man. You seen all the signs. She told you time and time again. And you didnt fix her. So go give her some love and put a alternator on her. she will be so happy. =) Way better than a ford ranger.
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    pft i drove my car with a blown head gasket for a year and it never let me down. just had to top the water up. i towed a car on a trailer with that b20a 200kms aswell... it ant broken till it stops

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    I do not want a blown head gasket on my motor, especially since there's only 85000 on the rebuild. Since your in New Zeland however did you get your vehicle to pass a WOF test? Do they not look at blown head gaskets being a problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by wohdog View Post
    pft i drove my car with a blown head gasket for a year and it never let me down. just had to top the water up. i towed a car on a trailer with that b20a 200kms aswell... it ant broken till it stops
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    By the way I sold my 1984 Ford Ranger on Craigslist everyone, sold her yesterday and only had her listed for 3 days. Had her advertised for $399 sold her for $325.

    I Used the money this morning to rent a car trailer from UHAUL for $48 and towed Blue (My Accord) to Battery Exchange. For a little less than $200 including the cost of my parts, their parts, and their labor, they are installing their alternator along with my waterpump and belt. I had to buy the waterpump and belt since they don't normally install these parts. Well the belt they do, but I bought it since they asked me to. I should have blue back on the road by tomorrow afternoon.

    I didn't need a waterpump, but I bought one anyways because it doesn't hurt to change it out while the car is already being torn apart.
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dlr1989 View Post
    Another possibility that I have not seen anyone mention is the ignition switch. These cars are notorious about poor electrical contact/burned contact pads in the ignition switch. The electrical part of the switch is replaceable separately from the key part and is not too difficult. My gut feeling is that you may still have a problem with your battery terminals or cables but the ignition switch is also a possibility.
    good thought,also check the electrical plugs under the dash, i had this same problem,and it turned out to be one of the plugs had unclipped and become loose,pushed it back together and it was fine. i think it was the one near the center of the dash.there are several harness connectors near each other right there. it also could be your ignition switch,due to the no start condition, there are two ignition contacts in there in addition to acc and start. nappa can get the electrical part of the switch,it installs with eithier two small screws or small bolts,to the back of the mechanical part of the switch. really easy to do,the other end plugs into your fuse box on the back. to make it eaisier, disconnect the battery, then take out the two small bolts holding the fuse box in, it will be much eaisier to work with those connections if it's loose. the other reason i think it might be the ignition switch,is if the alternator loses field current the warning light will come on, this comes from one of those two contacts in the switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roodoo2 View Post
    very good point Versanick, I think there are some grounds switched at the key switch as well as 12vdc. Relays go crazy when they loose the grounds that make them function properly.
    nope, start.ignition one,ignition 2, accessory . thats it

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    Good To See Youy Got A Good Deal On The Water Pump Belt And Alternator. Awsome Find. Thats Usually About 350 At A Shop Around Here. Give Us A Update Man. Is She Done Now. No More Breakdowns?
    Oh Yeah Wodog.. Ive Learned The Hard Way With If Isnt Borke Dont Fix It. Like A Leaking Wheel Cylinder That Finally Goes Out At 45 Miles Per Hour. Or Your Stearing Column Pivot Bolt Comes Loose And You Wheel Turns But The Tires Dont In The Middle Of A 4 Lane Cross Road.. Lol That Was The Worst Thing That Happened To Me. I Had To Get Out. Get My Jack Out. Jack It Up Then Turn The Wheel And Push It To The Side .. Lol. The Thing That Sucked Is That There Was This Hot Chick Beihnd Me . No Cops Tho :d
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by -$MOKIN- View Post
    Good To See Youy Got A Good Deal On The Water Pump Belt And Alternator. Awsome Find. Thats Usually About 350 At A Shop Around Here. Give Us A Update Man. Is She Done Now. No More Breakdowns?
    Oh Yeah Wodog.. Ive Learned The Hard Way With If Isnt Borke Dont Fix It. Like A Leaking Wheel Cylinder That Finally Goes Out At 45 Miles Per Hour. Or Your Stearing Column Pivot Bolt Comes Loose And You Wheel Turns But The Tires Dont In The Middle Of A 4 Lane Cross Road.. Lol That Was The Worst Thing That Happened To Me. I Had To Get Out. Get My Jack Out. Jack It Up Then Turn The Wheel And Push It To The Side .. Lol. The Thing That Sucked Is That There Was This Hot Chick Beihnd Me . No Cops Tho :d
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    are you talking about the universal joint? when I put my new rack in i torqued everything to specs and used locktite to make sure the bolt didn't back out,you are making me nervous here.

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Yep That Bolt That Tightens It At The Ankle. It Somehow Was Loose When I Got This Car I Got Now. I Dont Know Why. Its A 10 Mm Bolt. It Took Me A Good Hour To Find Out What Was Going On With The Column. It Sucked

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by -$MOKIN- View Post
    Yep That Bolt That Tightens It At The Ankle. It Somehow Was Loose When I Got This Car I Got Now. I Dont Know Why. Its A 10 Mm Bolt. It Took Me A Good Hour To Find Out What Was Going On With The Column. It Sucked
    how long did it take you to figure out where the crap it was? it's not under the car,and i can't see it from inside &&#^@%#))#(*$ dam honda engineers!! LOL

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Well the new waterpump and alternator is on, but there was a wierd sound coming from under the timing belt cover. I drove the car to a friends house about 1/2 a mile away, and then removed the cover and the timing belt had a tear 1/3 of the way into it. I called Battery Exchange and the guy said they would install the timing belt for $40, if I provide the belt. So now hopefully the car comes back with no other problems, lol. Still situation could have been worse!
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    you better check your tensioner and it might be best to get a kit with a belt and tensioner. something is tearing that belt,and if you don't fix it it will only get worse and probably tear the new belt.

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    I appreciate you telling me this, I would hate for the tech at the shop to overlook this detail. I will buy a tensioner and have him install it irregardless of whether he thinks it needs one or not. Thank you for this information.
    Quote Originally Posted by lostforawhile View Post
    you better check your tensioner and it might be best to get a kit with a belt and tensioner. something is tearing that belt,and if you don't fix it it will only get worse and probably tear the new belt.
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by blh1983 View Post
    I appreciate you telling me this, I would hate for the tech at the shop to overlook this detail. I will buy a tensioner and have him install it irregardless of whether he thinks it needs one or not. Thank you for this information.
    hey while the belt is out,have him check the two big washers that guide the belt at the bottom, maby one got bent or something. if they are bad they are a dealer part,but they are pretty cheap.also nappa carries a gates belt and tensioner kit,thats what i used.

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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Can the tensioner be broken by accident when installing a waterpump and alternator, or was my belt or tensioner more than likely on borrowed time before these repairs or after due to issues related or unrelated? Can a seized alternator put intolerable stress on the timing belt and tensioner?

    My therory is that the alternator froze up causing the belt to halt up at times, this tension of course affecting the lower cam shaft and timing pully, the extra stress wore out the tensioner, and tore the belt when the alternator belt would lock up in place.

    Please let me know what you think! Thank you!
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    Re: Ignition or Electrical Problem??? HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by blh1983 View Post
    Can the tensioner be broken by accident when installing a waterpump and alternator, or was my belt or tensioner more than likely on borrowed time before these repairs or after due to issues related or unrelated? Can a seized alternator put intolerable stress on the timing belt and tensioner?

    My therory is that the alternator froze up causing the belt to halt up at times, this tension of course affecting the lower cam shaft and timing pully, the extra stress wore out the tensioner, and tore the belt when the alternator belt would lock up in place.

    Please let me know what you think! Thank you!
    it possibly could,but more then likely the alternator belt would slip, i have heard of 2 gs that have broken timing belts from the ac compressor siezing up. the tensioner is probably just worn out,it's pretty common to replace both the belt and tensioner at the same time. they really need to look within the belt travel area for anything that could have contacted the belt, also look to see if that side engine mount is broken,mine was broken in half,it's unlikely but maby part of a broken one could be contacting the belt. i hope thats all it is, where was the cut? on the flat side of the belt, or on the side of the belt.

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