Cam Gear Feeler thread ... formerly GoldenEagle ACG round 2

[bigbrat41]

WHAT THA" _____?
Someone Please tell me the status of this group deal. I need one NOW!!
I have just replaced my valve seals and am at least 1 tooth off of correct timing.

[b8er]

well the low down is that this was a go at one point then another member had some other cam gears so ppl started dithcing out on this one ( yes i was included ) because they were gonna be cheaper and blah blah, turnes out that the cheaper gears didnt work so that was a no go and since ppl started backing outta this group buy then this cam gear also turned out to be a no go.

i dont rember who started this 2nd group buy but i doubt there gonna step up again, it would be nice to see it get going and yea my word kinda means nothing now cause i said i wanted one of these ones then switched over to the other ones BUT if this group buy got rolling again, im in!, not gonna screw up twice

[A20A1]

Well when Phrenology came in with promisis of a cheap Volution cam gear Mike folded assuming Phrenology had everything worked out... that was the spam that got all you guys pulling out of the group buy.

Fact is Phrenology didn't have a real product ready and didn't come thru. But it was too late, the damage was already done and This group buy was over.

In light of the BS that happned I already EMailed mike asking him to come back... if I catch anyone spamming a group buy again they will be banned especially if they don't come thru (make your own thread and stay in your thread!!!)... this messed up a lot of people and more so on Mikes end because he went thru the trouble to contact the company making the gears... then made us and probably him look bad when we backed out.


Why The Volution Cam Gear Will Not Work!

The problem is changing the spacing of teeth will not change the ratio.

Let’s say you have a 40 tooth gear and a 42 tooth gear. A belt meshes up fine to both of them, or at least close enough. Let’s say that the lower gear driving these two has 21 teeth.

For every 21 teeth that go through the lower gear, 21 teeth will go through the upper gear.

When these 21 teeth go through the 42 tooth gear, they will make it turn half a rotation (.5).

When the 21 teeth go through the 40 tooth gear, it will make it turn .525 of a rotation. That means that for every revolution of the 21 tooth gear, the 40 tooth gear will go another 0.025 of a revolution out of sync.

This is independent of the diameter of the gears. The belt will flex, the gears will not.

Just imagine two gears being driven by a belt made of rubber bands. It really doesn’t matter how big the gears are, only the number of teeth matter.

I am still interested in these cam gears, but in order for us to use them, we will almost certainly have to replace our crank gear to match. I do not know if a replacement crank would fit or not, or what engine they could be taken from.

The only other 42 tooth cam gear I know of is from the H22 engine. So far, I have been unable to find one in the local junkyards for testing with. I have no idea if it would actually fit the cam or not, or if the belt would line up (horizontally), but the H22 belt does apparently match up to the A20 cam gear (tooth spacing wise) according to pictures elsewhere on the forum.

Mixing different cam gears and belts could also be a recipe for reduced timing belt life, it all depends on how exactly they all match up. I do not know how much is shared between different Honda engine's cam gears.

I don't mean to sound negative, I would really like this cam gear buy to work out, I am just explaining the situation in the way I see it.

[b8er]

then made us and probably him look bad when we backed out.

i agree with A20A1, i wanna be the first to personaly say sorry to mike, sorry for backing out and ruining the group buy, hopefully something can be worked out here and get stuff rolling again

['A20A3']

Damn I just stumbled into this thread and that's some f*cked up shit. $150 is cheap anyways and those gears are beautiful. You guys must've been smoking some crack or something.

[2drSE-i]

you cant really blame us tho. same thing for 1/3rd the cost. unfortunately we did all jump the gun, but im glad phrenology tried. he didnt intentionally hijack the thread. we want you back justanothermike

[Swap_File]

I would still be up for a cam gear group buy, assuming another one is started.

...these are the ones that actually work, not the other ones that will work if you change the crank gear as well.

I didn't think anyone found a alternate crank gear that fit the A20 without machine work. I know I didn't.

[MessyHonda]

yeah if the price is good...i will buy...i got paypal and a slow honda accord...make my automatic roar... im looking for low end since i want to burn out>>>ALOT..i want new tires cuz i hate the ones i have on it

[LXi_tuner]

i could go for this..but not for a while as all of my money is gone and my recent paycheck went to a speeding ticket..

[2drSE-i]

I didn't think anyone found a alternate crank gear that fit the A20 without machine work. I know I didn't.

actually i was to understand that the b20a5 crank gear fit, but its such a rare motor it doesnt really matter.

[Shady_Pro]

so since this buy never went through does anyone have a new or used one they really don't need cause im in need badly for one

[2drSE-i]

Alright guys i have been working the details out and it has come down to this.

I have a friend with a machine shop who is more than willing to make and sell us adjustable cam gears for $100 dollars each. These will be CNC machined from billet aluminum. i may even be able to talk him down on the price some. The only hold-up is that he needs an adjustable cam gear to start with. i would be willing to put up $150 to purchase a golden eagle cam gear so that production on these could begin. Yes, they will be of the upmost quality. This is still in the developement stage and i would need to show him the cam gear before he could begin producing them, to be sure that he has the necessary tools. Interested?

3g Accord/2g Prelude Adjustable Cam Gear (no particular order):
1. stat1k
2. 89cordlxi
3. newaccorddriver
4. TJX
5. Swap_File
6. AccordRacing21
7. gfrg88
8. mkymonkey

[stat1K]

interested

[2drSE-i]

figured alot of people would be. only hindering point is finding a golden eagle one.

[Pico]

Count me in

[newaccorddriver]

count me in. wasnt there a guy selling a cam gear not too long ago here, or did it already sell?

[2drSE-i]

it was jumped on damn near immediately... all i really need to do is borrow one, i would be happy to send collateral

[AccordRacing21]

I'm in.

[gfrg88]

count me in

[Swap_File]

Count me in too.

[TJX]

I'm in too, I'll link this to prelude power and see if that helps us find one.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

What would be in it for the person who donated the cam gear??

[mkymonkey]

a blow job from a midjet ^^^^


count me in

[AccordRacing21]

a blow job from a midjet

Well in that case, I will not sleep until I find one.

[2drSE-i]

What would be in it for the person who donated the cam gear??

im sure i could work something out, like a free cam gear, or at least cost of shipping and materials. thats for whoever lets me borrow their gear. List is at top, add to it as you please.